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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#3341 - 2014-03-26 18:37:10 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Well, Im flying around high sec, asking people to say NO to cyber-bullying and online predators.

Thank god for new interceptors.

Half of empire - done.

A noble quest, well done.

Of course that has zero relevance in this thread... but children everywhere will be grateful for your efforts in safeguarding their personal face book accounts and such.

View the latest EVE Online developments and other game related news and gameplay by visiting Ranger 1 Presents: Virtual Realms.
Higgs Foton
Mission And Mining Inc
#3342 - 2014-03-26 18:37:20 UTC
Feyth Yinleq wrote:

I know, this desperate move is useless, but all that evil needs to prevail is for the good men to do nothing, I am sure you know this quote.
And no, you cannot have my stuff, without any sign of CCP within 20 hours, I will trash and biomass everything in a final demonstration of the lack of value of virtual assets in a game. We shouldn't have had to discuss for more than 150 pages here, as there is no admittable debate to have when the dignity of a human being and the decency of a community are at stake.


I find this threadnaught highly amusing. :)

But anyway. When i talk to people about EVE Online and why i like the game so much, i talk about its brutal social darwinistic nature and libertarian economics. This game is very very special and the only one in its kind.

All the other MMORPG's on the market are themepark ones with goodygood sets of rules. One might find the exploits of Erotica1 right or wrong (i personally do not have a problem with these) but it creates content which could also generate publicity. Given the fact that EVE is as far as i know the only game which gives these freedoms, it might even lead to more subscriptions for the more misantropic and predatory folks. Isn't it nice that they have this game to play instead of being banned constantly in goodygood "behave well children!" games like WOW?

As for CCP. If i were them, i would ignore it, even if it went viral. I know a guy (met him once though, so not really good) who makes music, and in two occassions his music was linked to one ritual murder, and in the second case to a spree killer. What did he do? He made a t-shirt for it on the first occassion and made no comments apart from using a sample on a later album in the second case. I am pretty sure his sales went up considerably in both occassions. So yeah. Publicity. Like a wise man once remarked: "There is no bad publicity, as long as they spell the name right."

EVE is not really hard to spell.
David Kir
Errantry Armaments
Empire of Decadence.
#3343 - 2014-03-26 18:37:43 UTC
Giovanni erkelens2 wrote:
David Kir wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:


except unethical behavior is what brought us here.

lies, deceit, theft, betrayal. the myriad of morally bankrupt shenanigans are what made this game so appealing to many people.


There are various degrees of unethical behaviour.


unethical is a relative understanding. just like good and bad.

unethical is a understanding misused by both sides to prove their own superiority and correctness.


Would you bother to explain your point?

Friends are like cows: if you eat them, they die.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#3344 - 2014-03-26 18:38:13 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
So really, you think CCP cares?


of course they care. do they care enough to bend to the pressure of whiners and carebears? depends where they see their future revenue coming from, i guess.


I guess if CCP wants to go the way of all the other themepark MMOs, they'll bend to that pressure.


part of me wouldn't blame them for bending. WoW at it's peak had 10m subscribers. every man has their price, question is... is 10m subscribers enough to pay hilmar's price?


EVE Online will never have 2m subscribers, let alone 10.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Brusanan
Sons of Seyllin
Pirate Lords of War
#3345 - 2014-03-26 18:38:35 UTC
David Kir wrote:
There are various degrees of unethical behaviour.

Driving over a frog isn't the same as driving over a man.

Your ethics are completely arbitrary, and so are mine. That is why society collectively comes up with rules and laws, instead of requiring each individual to use their own ethics as a guide.

No rules or laws were broken here, and your ethics are irrelevant. Move along.
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3346 - 2014-03-26 18:38:59 UTC
dexington wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
This was not bullying. Asking someone to read the code, wikipedia and sing two songs is not bullying.


While i normally would agree, i think the repeated requests for songs can be considered bullying.

At someone point during the recording the victim starts to realize that he has been scammed, and that he so not going to get any prize. It's pretty clear the E1 and the people helping him conduct the interview, also realize that he know what is going on. He kept doing what he is told in hopes that they might give him back his assets, and they keep making more and more requests, seeing how fare they can push him.

The fact that they have all his assets and just want to push him until he overreacts, might just make this some form of bullying. At the core bullying is about domination, and that is exactly what we are seeing. They are in a position of power, and they use it to produce recordings which only serve to humiliate the victim.

I know E1 don't think his behavior is creepy, but when it stopped being about scams and space pixels and turned into a game of degrading people on a personal level, then it stopped being eve... and it stopped being fun.


It stopped being eve when they went to ts3. Thankyou come again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#3347 - 2014-03-26 18:39:09 UTC
Alp Khan wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
So here's a thought, and bear with me on this.

Corp thefts.

What are your thoughts on intentionally lying to someone/building their trust over days, weeks, months for the sole purpose of stealing everything possible? During this time, much personal real-life information is likely shared as people talk about the kids, pets, jobs etc.

I have always liked the idea of these, but simply cannot bring myself to do it. This is how I acquired KOP. After a short time, I fessed up to the founder, we had a good laugh, and I went out of my way to request no roles whatsoever. Now, eventually I was handed the keys to the kingdom, but simply an empty shell corp. I know a number of guys who have concerns over the depth of the bonus rounds yet engage in this type of activity quite regularly. They are my EVE friends and we simply have disagreements on certain things.

Now, we all know corp thefts/awoxes/safaris have been widely celebrated in EVE for much longer than I have been playing.

We also know that Teamspeak and other comms are used to facilitate this pixel thievery.

What about the people that are legitimate friends and just decide to walk off with everything, backstabbing friends?

This my friends, is the huge can of worms that is literally being opened in this thread.

*edit* I should add that I absolutely cringe when I see real life stuff in the evemail apis. On the handful of times this has happened, I tell the clients to delete it, keep it out of game, and if I ever find that an escrow agent does anything whatsoever with it, I will have nothing to do with them, period. EVEmail APIs should be removed from EVE or at the bare minimum moved to a completely separate authorization page.


What you are saying here is not serving any other purpose than muddying the waters for saving your own skin.
You applied every psychological torture technique out there that you could have used over the Internet, on your victim, after netting him out from EVE online, and having already stolen his assets.
You did that for your own pleasure and amusement.

Mentally healthy people do not actually torture other people in real life.

Your behavior is a disgusting mark of disgrace upon this community, and you should be contacting a mental health care professional as soon as possible to receive proper guidance and treatment.

And let me state this very clear, I for one am very glad that you were forced out of GSF for the reasons stated above.


Coming from a Goon this means exactly 1 half of a grain of salt. Just sayin'.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
WarProfit
Doomheim
#3348 - 2014-03-26 18:39:16 UTC
This tells us alot about the corp he was in also Dark Aether Operations. What are their requirments to join? What did he do for the corp? Atleast they booted him once the **** hit the fan but will there be more backlash or fallout from this since their name is permantely stained on his employment history.


I believe this has stained that corp and opened itself up for more scams and lets all hope they understand what this means inregards to their employment history.


Recruiter: Hey what other corps have you been in?

Recruit: Dark Aether Operations

Recruiter: No **** isnt that the corp whos member was ripped off for all his stuff then cried about it while the scammer recorded it?

Recruit: Yep but I wasnt involved with any of that.

Recruiter: Good bye.
Upde
Upde Harris Industries
#3349 - 2014-03-26 18:39:43 UTC
Mario Putzo wrote:
Upde wrote:

If this was all done using EVE's in game comm system what do you think would have been the outcome ?


Much less comedic value thats for sure. Oh and less page views for Ripard who is abusing this situation for website traffic.


exactly, because they would be no "grey zone"

If done in game using in game tools then it has to be done so in complete accordance of the EULA which effectively means in character. Thus by keeping this in the confines of the game using the tools as provided by CCP, this would be a no brainer. CCP would have been easily able to examine and investigate the bonus room recordings (if they were recorded from EVE voice coms although I think thats not possible) and then base their reponse purely against the terms of the EULA.

By taking this effectively out of game but still "representing" EVE and thus leveraging CCP's IP and game to get the net end result of a batshit crazy dude threatening murder and giving out racial abuse this has turned into the mother of all clusterfucks for the outside non EVE'rs to go to town on.

I put it to you that there is no chance in hell CCP would be favourable towards any of this or as silent as they currently are had it occurred using the EVE tools provided for voice comm or in game messaging.
DJentropy Ovaert
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#3350 - 2014-03-26 18:39:53 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Its very simple guys.

EVE Online has no place for real-life pedophiles, rapists, online predators, pimps, terrorists, and drug dealers.

E1 and friends fall somewhere along that axis and have to go.

Very simple.


Your attempts to connect E1's behavior with pedophilia, rapists, prostitution, terrorism, and substance abuse issues are the very definition of a straw man argument, and also say a lot about your maturity and ability to discuss complex issues without resorting to mud slinging and childish analogies.

We're not talking about some made up "axis" you have decided on, we are discussing one specific person and one very specific action they took.

Try to keep up. The adults are talking.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#3351 - 2014-03-26 18:39:56 UTC
Navi Annages wrote:
dexington wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
This was not bullying. Asking someone to read the code, wikipedia and sing two songs is not bullying.


While i normally would agree, i think the repeated requests for songs can be considered bullying.

At someone point during the recording the victim starts to realize that he has been scammed, and that he so not going to get any prize. It's pretty clear the E1 and the people helping him conduct the interview, also realize that he know what is going on. He kept doing what he is told in hopes that they might give him back his assets, and they keep making more and more requests, seeing how fare they can push him.

The fact that they have all his assets and just want to push him until he overreacts, might just make this some form of bullying. At the core bullying is about domination, and that is exactly what we are seeing. They are in a position of power, and they use it to produce recordings which only serve to humiliate the victim.

I know E1 don't think his behavior is creepy, but when it stopped being about scams and space pixels and turned into a game of degrading people on a personal level, then it stopped being eve... and it stopped being fun.


It stopped being eve when they went to ts3. Thankyou come again.


No, it didn't.

It stopped being covered completely by the EULA, but at no point ever did it stop being within the context of EVE Online.

Epic Space Cat, Horsegirl, Philanthropist
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3352 - 2014-03-26 18:40:17 UTC
Higgs Foton wrote:
Feyth Yinleq wrote:

I know, this desperate move is useless, but all that evil needs to prevail is for the good men to do nothing, I am sure you know this quote.
And no, you cannot have my stuff, without any sign of CCP within 20 hours, I will trash and biomass everything in a final demonstration of the lack of value of virtual assets in a game. We shouldn't have had to discuss for more than 150 pages here, as there is no admittable debate to have when the dignity of a human being and the decency of a community are at stake.


I find this threadnaught highly amusing. :)

But anyway. When i talk to people about EVE Online and why i like the game so much, i talk about its brutal social darwinistic nature and libertarian economics. This game is very very special and the only one in its kind.

All the other MMORPG's on the market are themepark ones with goodygood sets of rules. One might find the exploits of Erotica1 right or wrong (i personally do not have a problem with these) but it creates content which could also generate publicity. Given the fact that EVE is as far as i know the only game which gives these freedoms, it might even lead to more subscriptions for the more misantropic and predatory folks. Isn't it nice that they have this game to play instead of being banned constantly in goodygood "behave well children!" games like WOW?

As for CCP. If i were them, i would ignore it, even if it went viral. I know a guy (met him once though, so not really good) who makes music, and in two occassions his music was linked to one ritual murder, and in the second case to a spree killer. What did he do? He made a t-shirt for it on the first occassion and made no comments apart from using a sample on a later album in the second case. I am pretty sure his sales went up considerably in both occassions. So yeah. Publicity. Like a wise man once remarked: "There is no bad publicity, as long as they spell the name right."

EVE is not really hard to spell.


I thoroughly enjoy your post and story. At least your even keeled in you views.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#3353 - 2014-03-26 18:40:20 UTC
According to BattleClinic Ripard Teg has 3,385 kills -- 479 of which are pods.

I am disgusted by Ripards bullying of these other EvE players, and the torture of 479 of them as they sat shaking in their pods just waiting to be killed. Surely a line has been crossed here, when more than 100 other ships are destroyed and Ripard goes to the extreme to destroy 3,385 ships!

These are the acts of a psychopath.

Now surely I am allowed to dictate how Ripard should play EvE, and my real life morality trump his right to destroy ships and players in EvE wantonly? This is because his actions are not EvE norm, they crossed the line of 100 kills, they are EXTREME acts of violence akin to bullying and torture.

As Ripard full well knows, EvE is trying to increase subs by becoming WoW or Hello Kitty Online, and the ONLY sanctionable behaviour is the humping of asteroids with mining lazors. How will CCP bring new players into EvE when their ships are being wantonly destroyed by players like him?

NO, it does not make it ok that these players consented to being blown up by going to nullsec. They didn't consent, they were COERCED into going there by the availability of better resources. They had no choice!

What makes this truly disgusting is that surely some small percentage of these players has a real-life disability of some kind?

CCP should immediately ban Ripard Teg's account, and redistribute all his isk to the pilots who are now contemplating suicide based on how he treated them.

F

Would you like to know more?
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3354 - 2014-03-26 18:40:30 UTC
Navi Annages wrote:
It stopped being eve when they went to ts3. Thankyou come again.


And it stops being illegal when you get her into the black van?

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
KnowUsByTheDead
Sunlight...Through The Blight.
#3355 - 2014-03-26 18:40:30 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
So, here's my question for the "E1 should be banned!" crowd. Lets say CCP does just that, and bans Ero from EVE. It would be safe to say, at that point, that what you say in third-party comm systems now counts as part of Eve. Where, at that point, do we draw a line?

Lets take my personal bugbear, GLBT and womens rights. The EVE community can be, quite frankly, ugly towards GLBT people. From something as simple as "OMG U R A (insert derogatory term for homosexual), to malicious attacks on transgender people for "lying about being a girl!". I see those acts as waaaay more "cyberbully" than Ero 1.

So, would it be OK for me to demand CCP take action on a person who says "That fit is gay!" on Battleclinic? What about the guy who says on teamspeak "LOL get in the kitchen!" to a female corpie? GLBT/womens rights in gaming is a hot-ticket thing right now, you know. EVE would get a reputation if word got out. The gaming media would have a field day!


/thread.

Once you realize what a joke everything is, being the comedian is the only thing that makes sense.
Mario Putzo
#3356 - 2014-03-26 18:41:25 UTC
Ripard Teg should be banned for harassing both Erotica 1 and Sohkar for personal gain by increasing net traffic to his blog.
Drone 16
Holy Horde
#3357 - 2014-03-26 18:42:27 UTC
E1 should not be banned. period.

What he does is reprehensible in many respects,in fact it makes my skin crawl , but he simply exploited the "scammer" concept and made it sicko art. Granted, it is disturbing and cruel, but CCP gave him the opening in their game to his indulge his natural inclinations. It doesn't make him unique, there are many wannabes, many in this thread, it just makes him exceptionally good at something truly awful.

Instead of trying to have him banned' this should be a discussion over what the Eve community wants from CCP and their game. 160+ pages of impassioned discussion shows a sharp divide in what some people feel is acceptable behavior. Of course, many in this thread have also come out to troll and obfuscate the issue, but there is a solid core of people on both sides of the issue that raise fair points.


We need our Evil Emperors (TheMittani), our Tywin Lannister (Baltec1) and the other assorted scoundrels out there, we even need the phosphorescent green mold that accumulates under many space urinals (The New Order).

What we don't need is a Hannibal Lector mind humping his prey before eating their liver with a nice Chianti, it's not good press, it's not good for player retention and it is not good for the community.

That recording is truly awful and if it evokes such a primal response Eve players (arguably a harder bunch than average) imagine it in the hands of a politician that wants to add restrictions to gaming, mother's being asked for their cc# so a new guy can make an account etc.etc.

Our Hannibal is obviously extremely intelligent and he can change his act if he chooses to, so banning, not the best option in my opinion. He did a disgusting thing, but many things I see in this game, particularly in this thread, which seems to have attracted the worst of the worst in this game, sicken me. However, it's not my game to say what is acceptable; CCP and the community will have to decide.

Lastly, I think E1 should remove himself from consideration for the CSM, for better or worse this thread has brought his behavior in the game to the forefront of a relatively large community. I wouldn't want to have my real name out in public after it I was perceived to have taken advantage of someone from a vulnerable population. No, it's not necessarily fair but it is what it is.









It puts the peanutbutter on itself or it leaves the bonus round... - E1's greatest Hits
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3358 - 2014-03-26 18:42:39 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Navi Annages wrote:
dexington wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
This was not bullying. Asking someone to read the code, wikipedia and sing two songs is not bullying.


While i normally would agree, i think the repeated requests for songs can be considered bullying.

At someone point during the recording the victim starts to realize that he has been scammed, and that he so not going to get any prize. It's pretty clear the E1 and the people helping him conduct the interview, also realize that he know what is going on. He kept doing what he is told in hopes that they might give him back his assets, and they keep making more and more requests, seeing how fare they can push him.

The fact that they have all his assets and just want to push him until he overreacts, might just make this some form of bullying. At the core bullying is about domination, and that is exactly what we are seeing. They are in a position of power, and they use it to produce recordings which only serve to humiliate the victim.

I know E1 don't think his behavior is creepy, but when it stopped being about scams and space pixels and turned into a game of degrading people on a personal level, then it stopped being eve... and it stopped being fun.


It stopped being eve when they went to ts3. Thankyou come again.


No, it didn't.

It stopped being covered completely by the EULA, but at no point ever did it stop being within the context of EVE Online.


Context means nothing. Insert wow rift COD ect ect ect instead of eve and what do you have? Same scenerio Death threats ect ect ect. Keep standing up for the racist its ok. I personally want to see him in jail too.

Riptar for CSM!!!! at the expense of Sohkar in jail.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
#3359 - 2014-03-26 18:42:47 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Its very simple guys.

EVE Online has no place for real-life pedophiles, rapists, online predators, pimps, terrorists, and drug dealers.

E1 and friends fall somewhere along that axis and have to go.

Very simple.


WOAH WOAH WOAH stop right there. Eve is a game not an extension of reality. If I choose to attack and kill a defenseless afk miner, that doesnt mean if I find an unconsious drunk in an alley I'll steal his wallet and kick seven shades out of him for fun. Stop equating video game behaiour to IRL behaviour. Yes going into team speak to talk about eve online and roleplay with other players ABOUT eveonline is PLAYING EVEONLINE. Alot of people need to get a grip. Theres alot of things wrong with EVE and its players behaviour, but I dont think the bonus room is one of them.

Will gank for food
Capt Starfox
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#3360 - 2014-03-26 18:42:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Capt Starfox
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Its very simple guys.

EVE Online has no place for real-life pedophiles, rapists, online predators, pimps, terrorists, and drug dealers.

E1 and friends fall somewhere along that axis and have to go.

Very simple.


And you base this on the fact that you don't like something and a blog you half understood.

I've scammed people in Eve Online, but because you disagree with my style of game-play I'm automatically an IRL criminal?

So, you're argument, essentially, would allow me to think of you as a real-life pedophile, rapist, online predator, pimp, terrorist, and/or drug dealer if I didn't like your style of game-play. Alright, you do some J-space and Nullsec stuff... I think that makes you an IRL terrorist. I'm calling the space FBI on you!!!!1111oneone.

Abandon all hope ye who x up in fleet