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embrel
BamBam Inc.
#2621 - 2014-03-26 12:35:27 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
The reason he is scamming is to get assets in game. The idea of scamming is from the game.

its completely and utterly linked with the game. Just because they used a out of game comms program is completely irrelevant.


See, I very much doubt that. If the purpose was to scam, the whole thing would not take so long. After everything has been contracted you could just stop.

But on it goes... long after the idiot is without any assets. So what is the aim after the assets have been contracted?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2622 - 2014-03-26 12:35:42 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

So you are deliberately misrepresenting my words, with intent to libel.
Cease and desist.


Or what?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Nalelmir Ahashion
Industrial Management and Engineering
Mouth Trumpet Cavalry
#2623 - 2014-03-26 12:35:46 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:


Sorry what!? Are you joking? Of course its part of the game. He was trying to scam a person that he met in game. The reason he is scamming is to get assets in game. The idea of scamming is from the game.

its completely and utterly linked with the game. Just because they used a out of game comms program is completely irrelevant.


You forget that BEFORE the bonus room starts the victim gave the scammer ALL of his assets and money.. so what is left to scam out of him?
Druthlen
The Carlisle Group
#2624 - 2014-03-26 12:37:32 UTC
Erotica1 took this out of game. It is nolonger a game or playstyle. Its just a psychopath being a psychopath. Psychopaths hurt people. CCP wont ban him because they enjoy watching him hurt people. Its as simple as that.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2625 - 2014-03-26 12:37:42 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

So you are deliberately misrepresenting my words, with intent to libel.
Cease and desist.


Or what?


Don't dodge that question, Salvos Shokar.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Samwise Everquest
Plus 10 NV
#2626 - 2014-03-26 12:37:59 UTC
Hypothetically, if someone were to kill themselves over losing all their assets to an in-game scam that was recorded and released to the public, would you guys THEN consider that too far? People have done crazier things for far less important reasons so don't think it's that far-fetched of an idea.

If you can't tell the different between temporary nerd rage and truely a mental breakdown then you need to seek help.

Pras Phil.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#2627 - 2014-03-26 12:38:14 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
You've expressed that seeing him harmed in real life would be a source of great pleasure for you.


False. I have expressed no such thing.

I would however enjoy the vindication of the abused over the abuser.
I do not wish any harm on Erotica1 in real life, nor would that be any source of great pleasure for me.

Unlike the great pleasure for Erotica1 in extracting suffering and anguish from the victims for several hours if necessary to psychologically "break" them in his "Bonus Room" of torture, as evidenced in the recording.

That is unequivocably proven by the recording, the repetition of this activity for an extended duration, and the fact that there is no profit to be derived from it except in the form of the gratification for sadists from the humiliation and degradation they place on another human being.

So you are deliberately misrepresenting my words, with intent to libel.
Cease and desist.

Returning to topic, Erotica1 has refused to answer a simple question put to her no less than 10 times.
This is extremely dishonest, and also considerably disrespectful towards the persons asking the question in a respectful manner.

Yes you did .


It's not torture, any condition/circumstance/influence/inexperience that prevents one from recogniseng this or from simply walking away from the scenario should preclude one from being on the internet unsupervised, never mind playing an mmo.

Stop making this comparison it's is ridiculous.

Erotica dose not really need to address the question, ccp do , and the tos / eula need to reflect it.

Morality has absolutely nothing to do with this.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

=]|[=
Salvos Rhoska
#2628 - 2014-03-26 12:38:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Scipio Artelius wrote:
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Those are all false assertions and misrepresentations.

I have never said I would enjoy his suffering, either physically or from having his account revoked.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#2629 - 2014-03-26 12:38:29 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
MoonWalker Charlie wrote:
I see a lot of people calling for bans, which i dont see necessary.. Why not rather Concord his ass, seize all his (Ip) assets except a ship and what it can carry, make him a permanent outlaw from empire space, and let him continue playing as a lowsec pirate for a year or two, which in effect stops his "business" of abuse.

Further more seize 10% of the combined assets of his accomplices, so they can for the forseable future remind E1 that a bad idea is bad.

Take the assets and donate them to an organisation for child abuse or simmilar. problem solved, ccp image restored, playerbase satisfied.

Now that would give me a god giggle..



More mob mentality garbage. You're all far worse then what you think E1 is.


Everything has a boiling point.
E1 opened a can and now him and all his minions are trying to spin it out.
You can't. It's too late and you got what you wished for even you didn't realized it then nor some of you still don't realize it now.
Icylce
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2630 - 2014-03-26 12:38:34 UTC
Clara Pond wrote:

1. Ero engineers a game with complex rules that is designed to be hard but not impossible to win

2. Person qualifies for a bonus round (higher stakes, harder version of game) for any of a number of reasons including 100th client
3. Ero plays the game with the client in some cases for six hours after he has all their assets, thus debunking any possibility it is a scam
4. Ero is completely unsurprised when a majority can't complete the deliberately complex game, and uses their losses to pay out the small number of winners as well as making a profit, the majority of which is donated to the New Order
5. Blogger throws a losing client under his publicity bus to wage a hilariously melodramatic and over-reached vendetta against gameplay he personally considers distasteful, alongside the many other gameplay elements he considers distasteful.


Yes it is a game, to Erotica1 anyways. Because Erotica and his friends claim there have been winners does not mean there were any winners.

Even if we assume u can win the game, the way it is constructed is worrying to say at least. Erotica basically pays for the right to harras a person and trample his dignity as human beeing and then on top of it makes this humilation public.

Just because some blogger has agenda with Erotica and makes this more known than it was, does not make Eroticas behaviour right.
Asia Leigh
Kenshin Industries.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#2631 - 2014-03-26 12:38:48 UTC
Okay... After listening to the recording...

This isn't exactly new. It has only been circulating around the C&P forums for about a month or so. When those posts came up, everyone treated it as "Whaa I got scammed" troll bait thread, it would degrade into trolling and personal attacks being thrown back and forth. ISD would come lock the thread and clean it up and with in 3 hours a new thread was started.

When these threads were circulating through no one seemed to care, but now this guy writes a blog on it and suddenly all the outrage? I'm new to this game so I dont know the writer of this blog, but It seems like he has an axe to grind with erotica 1. It also seems that he is highly rated with the community, and using the ensuing **** storm to farther his witch hunt against erotica 1.

Please do note that I am looking at this from a completely neutral standing. I have no connections with the scam victim, erotica, or the blog writer. Unfortunately I sense that there is more to this story that erotica is hiding, and I sense that the blog writer is hiding something too...

Now onto the actual content of the recording itself...

In my opinion alot of this skirts right on the line and parts of it inches over the line. It was clear that through out the recording erotica was wording every ting he said carefully as to not cross the line. I do agree that a couple of his accomplices did cross the line and in a big way too, but you could tell that erotica himself was carefully wording what he was saying as to skirt the edge and not jump.

In the end while I do find this behavior very distasteful and potentially damaging to the game, I'm afraid there is not much that can be done. Since CCP knew about this particular case for about a month now and have done nothing I doubt they will now.

That being said I still semi-stand by my opening post in this thread. I believe that the scam victim does share a part of the responsibility here. There is no excuse for using racial slurrs.... EVER... for no reason. RL life threats? Bad idea on the internet, just saying... also I still stand by the fact that he could have left at any time, it wasn't like they were holding his family hostage here, we are just taling about Internet Pixels here.


TLDR summery:

65% erotica's fault for being a complete douche to this guy (prior to the outburst)
35% scam victims fault (Primarily for the racial slurs and RL death threat at end of recording)
Blog writer has obvious vendetta against erotica
Apply the damn rules equally >.>
Upde
Upde Harris Industries
#2632 - 2014-03-26 12:39:16 UTC
tiberiusric wrote:
Upde wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Fyi , **** and torture comparisons are completely and utterly ridiculous and offensive.
Seriously get your **** together with this.
It's a game, I know a couple of victims, thies comparisons deminish the severity of both and loose the community respect by the letter.


but this didn't happen in game did it ................... or are you saying that TS coms and the proceedings that followed are part of the game ?

So which is it to be........

CCP do nothing because this was out of the game or CCP do something because it was a game, part of the game, part of EVE. you can't have it both ways.

If this was part of the game then CCP will have to either publicly support this as emergent game play and take what ever media bashing comes with that or CCP have to say it was not part of the game in which case the repercussions could be worse if a main stream media channel gets hold of this and makes a correlation between what they call "Sociopathic Behaviour" and EVE online.

This whole situation is a massive ****-sandwich for CCP. I would hazard a guess that gaming site journo's are all over this thread working out if they have got something juicy to shitpost on their columns much like the fanfest incident in 2012. This kind of brings all of us under the microscope and what happens here today could impact our chosen hobby of playing EVE online in a negative way if CCP don't bring this under control



Sorry what!? Are you joking? Of course its part of the game. He was trying to scam a person that he met in game. The reason he is scamming is to get assets in game. The idea of scamming is from the game.

its completely and utterly linked with the game. Just because they used a out of game comms program is completely irrelevant.


you mis understand my point.

The Scam part as I have said earlier is genius, and perfectly inline with the games ruleset, the public denigration that occurs after the fleece is done however is not.......... if you actually listen to the whole recording you will understand that.

Scam = good / part of game / nothing wrong here
Public denigration = not part of the game and puts CCP in an almost untenable situation.

If its part of the game and the media have a shitfrenzy on this and CCP have to act what do you think they will do ? Will you at that point still be saying but wait..... what........ its part of the game right ..................

lets use some common sense here, a person was taken to coms on the back of using CCP's IP and then subjected to what a non EVE playing member of society would call a public dismantling. Trying to hide behind the game will not save us on this one. CCP will do well to ride the shitstorm if this ever goes viral / main stream media.
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2633 - 2014-03-26 12:39:49 UTC
embrel wrote:
tiberiusric wrote:
The reason he is scamming is to get assets in game. The idea of scamming is from the game.

its completely and utterly linked with the game. Just because they used a out of game comms program is completely irrelevant.


See, I very much doubt that. If the purpose was to scam, the whole thing would not take so long. After everything has been contracted you could just stop.

But on it goes... long after the idiot is without any assets. So what is the aim after the assets have been contracted?


I figured that one out (granted, that was 110 pages or so back, so can hardly blame you for not seeing it).

Its the perception of legitimacy. Ero's rep has always been that he does not appear to scam. If he ended things the second he got all the targets stuff, he would be committing a scam. By driving proceedings until the contestant "voluntarily" gives up, he can claim in full honesty that the contestant lost fairly, and was not scammed.

Sure, its subjective, but that strikes me as a significant motivation in this game where perceptions of what occurred often overules the truth of what occured.
Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2634 - 2014-03-26 12:42:12 UTC
Can someone link Sankhor's character here? I want to give him his lost money back.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2635 - 2014-03-26 12:42:47 UTC
Agata Matahari wrote:
Can someone link Sankhor's character here? I want to give him his lost money back.


He has an alt now named Edgar Suit.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Clara Pond
Never Not Snazzy
#2636 - 2014-03-26 12:43:02 UTC
embrel wrote:
The issue is not the scam. As you do not seem to see what other issues there could possibly be... well, if you really have not the slightest idea what people could find despiceable (hint: it's not the scam), then I'm worried.


I am aware that some people are drawing a moral behaviour line a long way to the left of Ero 1 and the bonus room. I am pointing out that when you step back from Jester's ridiculous hyperbole, all you are left with is metagaming that some people find distasteful.

The key argument from our self-styled moral guardians is based on an assumption that the bonus room is a scam and the player has zero chance of winning, ergo Ero is a psychopath who enjoys belittling people for no reason. I am making the point that if you ditch that assumption, and understand that running off with people's money the second they hand it over and never having winners would quickly ruin the reputation of Ero's ingame business, you see it in a new light. But people are so blinded by Jester's misdirection that they won't look at it any way other than the way they've been told to.

Furthermore, why is Sohkar - demonstrably abusive bigot that he is - being given a free pass?
Salvos Rhoska
#2637 - 2014-03-26 12:43:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Don't dodge that question, Salvos Shokar.

You are unaware of the fact that Pollard informed me earlier this day that he has a personal policy of deleting evemail before reading it. This resulted in the effort by me to amiably reconcile a perceived difference between us over another immaterial issue promptly going into his trash earlier this morning, unopened, and him continuing hostilities regardless of my effort for reconciliation.

So I have reciprocally, just as he has, chosen to set a personal policy of mine own which delineates that I do not read anything he produces.

So no, I do not recognise the question, nor do I have to. And my reasons are justified above.

Not that any of this is your trolling business.

I have a reason to not answer him. And furthrermore the question doesnt even make sense in any relevant context.
He tries to imply that I have threatened him, which is a false accusation, and again, libelous.

Erotica1 has not given any reason to refuse and evade answering the same respectful question no less than 10 times, and from multiple individuals. She has even gone so far as to lie that she had, but nobody can evidence this, least of all herself.That is evasion. That is where you should look for persons who deliberately do not answer questions put to them.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Agata Matahari
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2638 - 2014-03-26 12:43:47 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Agata Matahari wrote:
Can someone link Sankhor's character here? I want to give him his lost money back.


He has an alt now named Edgar Suit.



and how exactly is his main spelled?
Aralyn Cormallen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2639 - 2014-03-26 12:44:46 UTC
Something that I always wonder about such threadnaughts, is how much of it is a small handful of very prolific posters driving the post count, compared to number of posters having an opinion.

Say the mods are following the thread, there is little way one person can keep track; I do wonder if they have tools to "deconstruct" the thread and get a feel for how many people are really talking. Just as an example, imagine if the mods could pull out all Kaarous and Salvos posts (no offense guys, you are just good examples), and see how many pages the thread drops by just from those two poster alone.
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2640 - 2014-03-26 12:45:04 UTC
Just make sure that if you Ban Erotica1, you ban his entire legion of alts aswell.

Just so we dont have to deal with the daily topics anymore that are trying to make the New Order look relevant.

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.