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Lady Areola Fappington
#2561 - 2014-03-26 12:04:07 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Sturmwolke wrote:
I'll just leave this here.
Pay attention to 1 Smile

THE HARE PSYCHOPATHY CHECK LIST(Revised) (PCL-R)

1 Glibness/superficial charm
2 Grandiose sense of self-worth
3 Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
4 Pathological lying
5 Cunning/manipulative
6 Lack of remorse or guilt
7 Shallow affect [i.e. superficial experience and expression of emotions]
8 Callous/lack of empathy
9 Parasitic lifestyle
10 Poor behavioural controls
11 Promiscuous sexual behaviour
12 Early behaviour problems
13 Lack of realistic long-term goals
14 Impulsivity
15 Irresponsibility
16 Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
17 Many short term marital relationships
18 Juvenile delinquency
19 Revocation of conditional release
20 Criminal versatility



WOOHOO!! I scored 20!!!! I WIN!!

Wait.... is that bad??


It's always funny when laypeople try to apply psych checklists like this. Even more lolz when they intentionaly leave out the instructions on HOW to use it.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Pi Pomodorian
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2562 - 2014-03-26 12:04:08 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Contrary to the opinion of some here, yes I'm rather gentle and kind. I have a problem in that I can't say no to friends who ask for help. It wasn't that long ago I was a noob wondering how I would make isk in this new, complex game. heh


Hmm. Kind people do not enjoy the kind of stuff you do in your little game. You spend hours and hours of your life at this little twisted bonus room. Yes, I agree that sociopath and psychopath are words that are too harsh for you. But kind? No way. You are a person who likes power over other people and who clearly feels no remorse about the way you use it. I can hear that much in your recording. All that time when you could be helping your friends you're running scams, doing your creepy little bonus room, and posting people's rage online. All of this is voluntary stuff you do. It says a lot about you that you will devote so much of your life to this kind of crappy behavior. Kindness ain't in it.
Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#2563 - 2014-03-26 12:04:28 UTC
do you people ever sleep?
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2564 - 2014-03-26 12:04:29 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Some people should start answering the questions, instead of avoiding them.


They were answered. They were ignored. As I suspected, no one's really interested in answers, just a witchhunt.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2565 - 2014-03-26 12:05:15 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Sturmwolke wrote:
I'll just leave this here.
Pay attention to 1 Smile

THE HARE PSYCHOPATHY CHECK LIST(Revised) (PCL-R)

1 Glibness/superficial charm
2 Grandiose sense of self-worth
3 Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
4 Pathological lying
5 Cunning/manipulative
6 Lack of remorse or guilt
7 Shallow affect [i.e. superficial experience and expression of emotions]
8 Callous/lack of empathy
9 Parasitic lifestyle
10 Poor behavioural controls
11 Promiscuous sexual behaviour
12 Early behaviour problems
13 Lack of realistic long-term goals
14 Impulsivity
15 Irresponsibility
16 Failure to accept responsibility for own actions
17 Many short term marital relationships
18 Juvenile delinquency
19 Revocation of conditional release
20 Criminal versatility



WOOHOO!! I scored 20!!!! I WIN!!

Wait.... is that bad??


It's always funny when laypeople try to apply psych checklists like this. Even more lolz when they intentionaly leave out the instructions on HOW to use it.



Yeah, I get to a point where I just start playing along. Sometimes it's more fun that way.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2566 - 2014-03-26 12:05:40 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Open racism ... acceptable if situation calls for it.
Threatening violence to remedy perceived financial wrongs ... acceptable if situation calls for it.

Aren't you all justifying ******? Ugh

[edit] wtf Adolfs last name is a banned word? Shocked


Yes. The EVE forums have built in a method to prevent you from violating Godwin's Law, like you just tried to do :p


What good is a forum discussion if you can't violate Goodwin's Law at some point? Sad

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Salvos Rhoska
#2567 - 2014-03-26 12:05:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Like the so, so many you've ducked in the thread so far? I agree.


You might instead want to consider how many times you have directly tried to misrepresent my posts as to the effect of having any intent to cause anyone any physical harm.

They actually constitute libel, you know. And you perpetrated it more than once.
You can't go around accusing people of having violent intent without proof.

I'd sit down and shut up if I was you.

Returning to the topic at hand, Erotica1 refused to answer the same simple question no less than 10 times.
That says a lot about the degree of integrity or honesty we can expect.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#2568 - 2014-03-26 12:05:49 UTC  |  Edited by: PinkPanter
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Pot, meet kettle.

Mate. At the moment this thread is just going straight back down the rabbit hole of personal attacks it was in earlier.

Is it possible to just not respond and let some of the heat go out?

Let people vent and hopefully the thread will be locked soon. However keeping the attack/counter-attack process going isn't productive or helpful to anyone.

It takes 2 sides to keep arguing, but only 1 to stop.


I'm doing them a service by informing them of their stupidity. If they can handle the criticism, they will then go on to improve themselves and become persons of merit rather than mouth froth. It's a vital service that I quite enjoy providing.


So you can't stand criticism pointed your and E1 way which can be seen when you are insulting others YET you insult others justifying it that they can't handle criticism.

The circle is now complete. Sometimes it takes a bit but it's inevitable lulz.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#2569 - 2014-03-26 12:05:59 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Some people should start answering the questions, instead of avoiding them.


Like the so, so many you've ducked in the thread so far? I agree.


This exactly. Unfortunately.
Bjurn Akely
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2570 - 2014-03-26 12:06:43 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
My closing comment:

id like to quote a comment from Evenews24:

For the people who think that this behavior is excusable because the victim continued voluntarily and could have disconnected any time, your logic is flawed for several reasons.

1.) You fail to understand how psychological manipulation works. The more a person is invested, the more difficult it is for that person to stop. Erotica 1 completely exploited this.
2.) Erotica 1 never intended to follow through with his promise and therefore the victim's participation was precipitated on a lie. This is the very antithesis to "voluntary".
3.) The victim certainly had no idea that this was going to be broadcast all over the internet to further the humiliation. I think it is pretty easy to surmise that such information might have changed the outcome.

Lastly, even granting that yes, despite the above, he physically could have disconnected at any time, it does not make this behavior OK. Even if this was a reasonable outcome given the culture of Eve, it does not make this behavior OK. The actions of the victim can not justify the abuse. It is not OK to abuse a person just because that person may have made himself vulnerable to such abuse.

closing quote from me: Ero you should have stopped after getting his isk. Live with the consequences or get a better human being and see it as a lesson. Try it mate, it is not so hard to let go of a false point of view. It could be very refreshing to admit that one has made a mistake. However, that needs a bit of an integrity and mature personality that I am missing by reading your comments. poor you.


Because Evenews24 says it so it must be true.


No, EN24 did not say it. It was a comment. A very convincing one too.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#2571 - 2014-03-26 12:07:02 UTC
Karen Avioras wrote:
do you people ever sleep?


This is like the Eve equivalent of that missing airplane, 24 hour rolling news, endlessly raking over the same points over and over again with no conclusions to be reached.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2572 - 2014-03-26 12:07:10 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Sentamon wrote:
Open racism ... acceptable if situation calls for it.
Threatening violence to remedy perceived financial wrongs ... acceptable if situation calls for it.

Aren't you all justifying ******? Ugh

[edit] wtf Adolfs last name is a banned word? Shocked


Yes. The EVE forums have built in a method to prevent you from violating Godwin's Law, like you just tried to do :p


What good is a forum discussion if you can't violate Goodwin's Law at some point? Sad


Yeah, but that's like the 4th time in the thread so far.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Icylce
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2573 - 2014-03-26 12:07:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Icylce
So from what Ive gathered so far from this topic

Considering Erotica1:

1.Erotica1 knows that there is high chance that he will get insulted by eveplayer if he does something considered "evil"(link to minerbumping + empyric experiece from various scams).

2. Erotica1 scams person, then puts him into bonus round.

3. Erotica1 puts the player in bonus round in helpless state (takes all assets) and aplies psychological pressure.

4. Erotica1 is surprised when said person breaks and insults him.

Conclusion:

Its up to u to make.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2574 - 2014-03-26 12:09:06 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Like the so, so many you've ducked in the thread so far? I agree.


You might instead want to consider how many times you have directly tried to misrepresent my posts as to the effect of having any intent to cause anyone any physical harm.

They actually constitute libel, you know. And you perpetrated it more than once.
You can't go around accusing people of having violent intent without proof.

I'd sit down and shut up if I was you.


That sounds like a threat. You should calm down before you do something you regret.

I might also add that effective communication is the responsibility of the communicator. People wouldn't be 'misrepresenting' your points if you were making them with more succinct clarity. You have, indeed, dodged a wide variety of questions. You do a lot of dodging. I believe you when you say you're a lawyer.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2575 - 2014-03-26 12:10:02 UTC
Bjurn Akely wrote:


No, EN24 did not say it. It was a comment. A very convincing one too.


Maybe convincing for people with a predetermined bias. That would be called subjective validation. It sure didn't convince me.

Point remains.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Salvos Rhoska
#2576 - 2014-03-26 12:10:47 UTC
Erotica refused on no less than 10 separate occasions to answer the same simple and respectful question put to her.

Instead choosing transparent evasion and the false claim that "she had already answered it", when infact no less than 4 people can attest to there actually simply not being that answer in the first place.

Dishonest.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#2577 - 2014-03-26 12:11:06 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:

It's always funny when laypeople try to apply psych checklists like this. Even more lolz when they intentionaly leave out the instructions on HOW to use it.



My ex wife got her hands on a DSM after a psychiatrist told her she might have Borderline Personality Disorder or Schizophrenia. She decided that she didn't when she read "Must show 4 out of 8 criteria for diagnosis", because she had all of them.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#2578 - 2014-03-26 12:11:11 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Like the so, so many you've ducked in the thread so far? I agree.


You might instead want to consider how many times you have directly tried to misrepresent my posts as to the effect of having any intent to cause anyone any physical harm.



No, just suggest it would give you emotional pleasure if physical harm happened, discuss ways to do it, outright state that doing so would be fully justified according to you...

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
embrel
BamBam Inc.
#2579 - 2014-03-26 12:11:56 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
comfortable in the knowledge that everyone involved is a consenting adult.

Yet since I made the decision about a year ago to play this role-playing game as a criminal character, and took up suicide ganking, scamming, miner extortion, wardecs, and corporate infiltration, I have been called racial, ethnic, religious, and homophobic slurs almost daily. I have been called names that would not be acceptable in any context, except perhaps a *** rally. My life and that of my family has been threatened on several occasions. And who are the people engaging in this appalling behavior? Not I, not Erotica 1, not any in-game scoundrel who enjoys blapping carebears. No, it is the carebears themselves, a number of whom have even posted damning personal attacks in this thread, as if they had any moral high ground to stand on.


You implicitly assume all adults to be capable of making decisions aka to be mature. Unfortunately, that's not the case and the bonus round has a selection bias. Who else than the immature will take part there?

It's like the leader of a religious sect. Mostly legal he exploits the immature. You can laugh about it or not. I rather don't.

And as there is the selection bias and as idiots are idiots you will hear idiotic things like threats/racism and so on.

What does it have to do with carebears? You're mixing two quite distinct things here. One is in-game and stays in-game. If you're threatened that should result in a ban.

The bonus round takes place out of game and the results are distributed globally available for everyone for eternity.
Salvos Rhoska
#2580 - 2014-03-26 12:12:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
From my perspective, it would seem that to Erotica1 the suffering and anguish he inflicts on the people in the Bonus Room is a source of great pleasure for him.

Else, why do it over and over. And there is demonstrably no other profit in the activity.

And ofc there are many others who likewise vicariously enjoy this audio of a suffering individual, whether by participating live in these rephrehensible Bonus Rooms, or through the recordings that are afterwards disseminated throughout the game and its formats, without the consent to share them being given by the victim.

It is understandable that these people who seek to falsely represent the actual depravitites of Erotica1s activities as any less serious than they actually are, do so because they do so enjoy that suffering and it is readily available to them from there.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent