EVE General Discussion

Just ban the narcissistic psychopath and be done with it. The only reason he is showing any kind of rational reasoning is because he has realised this might impact on him. Typical psychopathic behaviour

Please show me some respect and do the same.

Keep runing away from answers.

*I too read every word in this thread.

Okay... I've been reading this since page one and cannot resist contributing an opinion - which is what forums are for.


I have been aware of Erotica1 for a long time since I first saw the spam in Jita local. I have played the ISK doubling game and have played the bonus room. (no, there's no recording of me singing or throwing a fit, sorry...) I was interested in learning how it all worked and figured out pretty quickly that Erotica1 is quite possibly the sharpest and most cunning scammer in EVE.

The detailed rules that hook in the punters by stoking their greed with the legitimising and confidence inspiring early payouts encourage the gullible to dive right in.

Erotica1's skills at social engineering are very good and I have no problem with having such deadly sharks swimming in our EVE pool. The unwary should be able to be fleeced or robbed of every ISK and every asset they own in the game.


And this is where this breaks it for me. In the game. Characters are one thing - when in character, kill, threaten, steal, lie, cheat. All is good. On TS3 - I am me, not Lucretia DeWinter. That boundary is the extent of the New Eden universe.


Once you carry over a scam (or emergent gameplay) into the extra-game world, I believe it does actually cross a line. There are several reasons I hold this belief:

• External communications are not protected by CCP - in game actions are logged and can be investigated.
• EVE assets have value. Perhaps not real world court of law value, but they have emotional and psychological value which is no different to tangible material goods to the person who owns them.
• Skilled communicators can deceive and coerce extremely effectively and easily over forums or voice comms - the impersonal protections offered by anonymity make it very easy for people to disregard all standards of conduct without accountability for their actions.

Taking the example of Jester's blog and the soundcloud, I believe that:

• Erotica1 et al crossed a line into unacceptable behaviour. Although players enter the bonus room willingly, once they gave up their assets (which I don't deny is a stupid thing to do) they are then used as leverage to extort and coerce and it is at this point that the player becomes a victim.
• That they could leave at any time is no defence. There is huge pressure, skillfully applied, to so massively disincentivse just quitting and walking away. Your boss could casually mention that times are hard and there might have to be layoffs, oh, and can you work late tonight? There's no threats or blackmail here, but its the same concept.
• If ever somebody comes into the conversation and says, "Okay, Please stop" - and they continue to humiliate and denigrate their victim - that is way out of order.

If it were up to me, I would propose the following actions:

• Erotica1 and helpers should be informed that although scamming is an accepted practice in New Eden, great care should be taken to preserve the dignity and wellbeing of the real life people behind the character. Humiliating people for public or private publication should be considered an ethical breach of the EULA (the conduct section) and moving forward, future events such as this example will result in a ban from CCP services. (and I mean a proper ban - with payment card/IP address blacklisting)
• Sohkar receives a temp ban. This is a result of the language and threats made to Erotica1. This is mitigated from a permanent ban due to the duress under which the comments are made. It should be explained why a ban has been implemented.

I believe we as a community should make it known that this extra-EVE meta-scamming is not what we should want to be representative of the game and community we engage with.

I believe that CCP has a responsibility to investigate these cases and where they feel necessary, take action, regardless of whether it happens in game or out, these are EVE players, using our community and game world to drive and facilitate these scenarios.


It is not up to us or CCP to 'police the world' but they should be invested in protecting people from real world harm and protecting their reputation. As well as protecting the sandbox in game world as a harsh, unforgiving and dangerous place inhabited by psychopaths, zealots and all manner of unhinged capsuleers.

The several strawman arguments raised against the example of CCP interference are truly fallacious. I believe it is undeniable that the actions demonstrated here are reprehensible and should not remain unchallenged.

We are adults and should conduct ourselves with respect, keeping the villainy within the game.

Frankly I doubt you care.

Typical argument for someone who has no desire to engage in an adult conversation. I don't think you know what a psychopath is. I am most certainly not one.

good guys >.< . only in your head your a good guy. to me your just a scammer who went too far because you could. you pushed that dude so far he lost it totally and you step back and say he is the one to blame. i bet you are smiling as you read everything posted in this thread.

Feel free to go and educate yourself via google or any other search engine. There is a spectrum and you have scored very highly indeed.

Nobody cares. This is a vendetta against Erotica 1. Hence why people are simply dismissing his threats of violence and racism of Sokhar as if they were 'justified'. They're not. But no one is hanging him by the neck with anywhere near the same passion that they're going after Ero. This is a witchhunt, straight outta the 16th Century, run by the 'morality police' like a religious inquisition.