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Big Lynx
#2421 - 2014-03-26 10:57:04 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Or we could discuss this as reasonable adults and treat this as opportunity for open dialog. You don't see me pasting talking points repeatedly. You see me wishing to discuss it. I would even call it a debate, let's just have an honest dialogue. I can reflect and concede some points, as can you. That's how we move forward. Not with crazy rhetoric.


Ok mate. Let's talk like adults. Concerning self-reflection, do you think you and your friends have gone too far?
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2422 - 2014-03-26 10:58:03 UTC
Navi Annages wrote:
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:
I say it's time we make a stand and unsub en masse! Unsub from this thread I mean, I woke up to 1300+ notifications. That's not healty behavior ppl! Go do something useful with your time like ganking miners ffs. Big smile


GL getting people to unsub in bulk. Why go through the trouble. They weren't scammed.

I was talking about unsubbing the thread, not the game :P
Theo Sotken
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2423 - 2014-03-26 10:58:04 UTC
Since the incident came to light only after the scammers themselves released details of the incident it makes you wonder if there are any cases worse than this that are hidden. Perhaps if the guy had not used the language he did after they broke him it may never have been realised as it allowed the scammers to take the moral high ground.

If such actions are tolerated within the Eve franchise perphaps the age restrictions for Eve should be raised.
arabella blood
Keyboard Jihad
#2424 - 2014-03-26 10:58:20 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Or we could discuss this as reasonable adults and treat this as opportunity for open dialog. You don't see me pasting talking points repeatedly. You see me wishing to discuss it. I would even call it a debate, let's just have an honest dialogue. I can reflect and concede some points, as can you. That's how we move forward. Not with crazy rhetoric.


Start by answering the hundreds of questions and claims that were adressed to you.
Meanwhile all i see is you is avoiding any direct question and confrontation.

Troll for hire. Cheap prices.

Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2425 - 2014-03-26 10:58:27 UTC
Upde wrote:


But the Casino does not release CCTV footage and recording of you to the public for their amusement after they fleece you.


Oh, yes they do. Have you been not watching TV for the last 10 years?

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Navi Annages
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2426 - 2014-03-26 10:59:01 UTC
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:
Navi Annages wrote:
Meilandra Vanderganken wrote:
I say it's time we make a stand and unsub en masse! Unsub from this thread I mean, I woke up to 1300+ notifications. That's not healty behavior ppl! Go do something useful with your time like ganking miners ffs. Big smile


GL getting people to unsub in bulk. Why go through the trouble. They weren't scammed.

I was talking about unsubbing the thread, not the game :P


My apologies then sir.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x8-JfK-wwFU
Lady Areola Fappington
#2427 - 2014-03-26 11:00:34 UTC
Theo Sotken wrote:
Since the incident came to light only after the scammers themselves released details of the incident it makes you wonder if there are any cases worse than this that are hidden. Perhaps if the guy had not used the language he did after they broke him it may never have been realised as it allowed the scammers to take the moral high ground.

If such actions are tolerated within the Eve franchise perphaps the age restrictions for Eve should be raised.



Actually, this incident is kind of old news, it was posted long ago. It's only a "incident" now because An Eve Personality has made it an issue.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#2428 - 2014-03-26 11:01:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Bunnie Hop
Erotica 1 wrote:
Or we could discuss this as reasonable adults and treat this as opportunity for open dialog. You don't see me pasting talking points repeatedly. You see me wishing to discuss it. I would even call it a debate, let's just have an honest dialogue. I can reflect and concede some points, as can you. That's how we move forward. Not with crazy rhetoric.


I won't engage in name calling, but I think the fact that you see nothing wrong with your actions to be a major character flaw. You took an ingame scam out of game and made it a very personal abuse of someone. Until you do some introspection and see just how offensive this is there is no point of moving forward. This game is a cruel environment but that does not give license for you to humiliate and abuse someone. Yes, he could have walked away, that is puzzling as well, but he didn't and that fact alone does not further give you right to abuse him. I think you should be banned, not permanently, and CCP should make clear that they do not support this behaviour. Is that a reasonable enough discussion for you?

Note-the only reason I don't think a perma ban is warrented is because the victim could have walked away, which does not excuse Erotica's actions but mitigates the severity of the punishment in my eyes.
Moloney
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2429 - 2014-03-26 11:02:28 UTC
Hi ccp,

I am going to do my very best that every gamer I know that may at any point play this game will listen to this recording.

Please of you have any sense or morality get this ******* out of our game.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#2430 - 2014-03-26 11:05:10 UTC
Any quotable snippet I throw out here will get trolled to death. All of these questions can be asked in a livestreamed event. Keep asking questions though, some of these are good.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
PinkPanter
Valhalla Drinking Team
#2431 - 2014-03-26 11:05:42 UTC  |  Edited by: PinkPanter
Navi Annages wrote:
PinkPanter wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Once again, fellow players.... your ire is misplaced.
We do NOT want to open this can of worms.

This is all I have to say on the subject:

Remember when everybody wanted Tank CEO banned (not for breaking the rules, but just because 90% of the players didn't like him)? Kinda the same thing, here. Tank pointed out loopholes and exploits that other people were using to get past the rules, and his conduct created new rules that have helped to make EVE thrive.
Like it or not, we needed Tank.

Now, Erotica 1 is running a high-stakes gambling event. Nothing more. He's not exploiting bugs, or pointing out flawed rules. He's asking you to risk, and offering a possible reward. End of story.
Erotica's "bonus round" is no different than any real life casino in Vegas. You walk in, and blow every dime you have, that's not the house's problem. You could have stepped away at any time. Nobody forced you to stay. They just made it a little easier for you to choose that option.

I wouldn't call a slot machine a form of bullying. Chances are it WILL take everything you put into it, and give nothing back.
Winners are paid by the "donations" of the losers.


Lol casinos are very much regulated and so are bullying actions.
Deliberate actions that lead to exploit people in any way and then publicly make fun of them well that's a possible criminal case already.


Your saying criminal case. You are discussing the death threats towards Erotica 1 are you not? Or are you defending a racist?


That's where lawyers and prosecutors will shine but the way I see it is it will all start with the question what happened that made some random dude go and threat E1 in the first place.
You see he didn't go there and just like that went on his ramblings. He was deliberately lured and manipulated to a point where he simply ended up being pushed that one inch too far.
When you go and read this thread with people stating how closely and clearly they prepared for this to make sure thy DO NOT breach EULA you will realize that this ain't no accident. This is a well thought (apparently not cause some of its creators are really proving they are stupid) and prepared operation with a sole purpose of bullying / harassing potential people that are lured out of a VIDEO GAME.
That is the case here and goes further than your black and white approach using words or actions taken out of contexts with deliberate attempts to blur the truth.

I know you are all trying hard to kinda destabilize this thread but c'mon. 120+ pages is enough to realize something went too far and you or E1 or whoever is ****** up enough to approve it crossed and it might end up costly for you.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#2432 - 2014-03-26 11:06:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Erotica 1 wrote:
Or we could discuss this as reasonable adults and treat this as opportunity for open dialog. You don't see me pasting talking points repeatedly. You see me wishing to discuss it. I would even call it a debate, let's just have an honest dialogue. I can reflect and concede some points, as can you. That's how we move forward. Not with crazy rhetoric.

*edit* I don't want Sohkar banned. I would like him to be able to play the damn game. If it just ended with the minerbumping posts, we'd have a story soon forgotten of an anonymous guy who lost a bonus round for being a Goofus. Now this poor guy is being dragged into someone's warpath against me in a very public way- in a way meant by the whiteknight carebear ethicists to use any means necessary no matter the consequences just to get at me.


What you do, while entertaining, is wrong. Morally. Now either you don't have them or you don't care, but there's something within you that allows you to treat people the way you do. It's not normal, to turn the switch off.

It doesn't break any rules other than societies desired way we all treat each other. What you do isn't nice, and that's a world we want, one full of nice people.

You should be punished. Because the way you treated that person, and he's a person before he's an EvE player, the way you treated his PERSON is horrible. I don't want it to happen to anyone. If it does happen, will I find it amusing, perhaps. Will I still think you're wrong for doing it? Absolutely.

Because it's wrong, your actions can't be glorified. They have to be condemned. If you're unwilling to man up and do the right thing, then CCP needs to Entervene on your behalf and handle it in a manner that takes into consideration this is a repeated process you enact upon the people.

You prey upon people, and CCP need to clip your wings/declaw you.

To be fair, he should be punished too for resorting to insulting you. Both of you were in the wrong, which one is more wrong is irrelevant and open to debate. What's not open to debate is the fact that this is something you do repeatedly.
Big Lynx
#2433 - 2014-03-26 11:06:40 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Any quotable snippet I throw out here will get trolled to death. All of these questions can be asked in a livestreamed event. Keep asking questions though, some of these are good.


Third attempt:

Ok mate. Let's talk like adults. Concerning self-reflection, do you think you and your friends have gone too far?
Moloney
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2434 - 2014-03-26 11:07:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Moloney
Double post..
Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#2435 - 2014-03-26 11:07:25 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Any quotable snippet I throw out here will get trolled to death. All of these questions can be asked in a livestreamed event. Keep asking questions though, some of these are good.


Livestream event, please. Now you are just capitalizing on your terrible behaviour. You actually enjoy this attention. You could not pay me to attend a livestream event featuring you.
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2436 - 2014-03-26 11:07:42 UTC
OI! THAT, right there.....

If you are making death threats over what happens in a video game, you probably aren't mentally healthy enough to play video games. END OF STORY. FULL STOP.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2437 - 2014-03-26 11:07:50 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
Pak Narhoo wrote:
Alyth Nerun wrote:
Everyone in this thread should just take a step back, maybe drink a glass of water and calm down.

I really have a hard time to understand how anyone can call this cyberbullying or torture with a straight face. After all we are talking about game characters here and not about an attack on a persons real life. Everyone who can't see that difference has lost his perspective and can't separate fiction from reality anymore and should probably stay away from this kind of RPG.

I hope this thread gives Erotica 1 the publicity to get elected to the CSM and replace Reta.. sorry, Ripart Teg.

Erotica 1 4 CMS9


What part of the TS happened in game? If you had the guts to listen to that sound cloud part you would think twice about reality and fiction. The bullying was real and so the threads sent back at the sociopaths, but it all happened out of game so it's ok, right?




There is a tremendous difference between "OK" and "Problem CCP should address". If you start requiring CCP to police actions that occur off of CCPs servers, you open a huge can of very easily exploitable worms.

Example: "CCP, please ban Alyth. Here's a public TS recording of him being racist and evil. His denial (with a different voice) means nothing, he could get anyone to read a script for him."

You don't need to require CCP to police actions out of game. This occurred in game to a logged in EvE player, and involved in game assets being transferred to another player. It then was posted on the forums. Whether the communication was in text in local or on teamspeak is irrelevant.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2438 - 2014-03-26 11:08:05 UTC
arabella blood wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Or we could discuss this as reasonable adults and treat this as opportunity for open dialog. You don't see me pasting talking points repeatedly. You see me wishing to discuss it. I would even call it a debate, let's just have an honest dialogue. I can reflect and concede some points, as can you. That's how we move forward. Not with crazy rhetoric.


Start by answering the hundreds of questions and claims that were adressed to you.
Meanwhile all i see is you is avoiding any direct question and confrontation.


Ero's already addressed this in a rather long post a few pages back. Perhaps if people were paying more attention instead of frothing at the mouth and seeing red, they would not have missed it.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#2439 - 2014-03-26 11:09:37 UTC
I certainly do hope many of my critics here take the time to read www.minerbumping.com because you will find thousands of examples of utter filth spewed by highsec miners.

I assure you, we are the good guys. Take a look.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Asia Leigh
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#2440 - 2014-03-26 11:09:48 UTC
Why is the TOS arghument still going on?

Quote:
25. CCP reserves the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any user’s account without advance notice as we deem necessary. Furthermore, we reserve the right to delete all user accounts or inventory of characters as warranted.


They can pretty much ban you for any reason or no reason at all.

By the way I have been operating under the impression that this was just an other I got scammed Q.Q troll bait, because I have been at work and the bonus round recordings have been known to not be safe for work. When I get home I'll listent to it and update my opinion on the matter.
Apply the damn rules equally >.>