EVE General Discussion

I didnt read through the entire topic, nor did I listen to the entire recording, just the last 30 min when the guy started to lose it.

I can actually understand why the Erotica1 and his buddies enjoyed themselves, it can be fun to a certain point.
In my opinion however, the line was clearly crossed.
I love drinking internet spaceship drama tears, but you guys should be ashamed.

It was too much and the guy on the other end of the line (although reacting very poorly) was clearly suffering.
Not because of the lost ISK, but because of the humiliation.
At some point much earlier, you should have simply stopped, but you didnt, I pity you for this attitude.

Even in my state (Texas), use of force or deadly force in defense of property must be 'reasonable' where as defense of self or an innocent third person is almost absolute. And the term innocent third person is important because you can't claim self defense for your drug dealing buddy when things go wrong (as an example).

I do so enjoy being called a liar by some untrained and immoral civilian who probably doesn't even live in my country.

This isn't about the money, dude. I haven't touched on the money issue at all. Reread my posts.
This entire blog and this thread are about the bullying behavior. Making people humiliate themselves in front of a group of people. And the things mentioned in the blog are hardly the worst behavior I've ever heard about within EVE. This is about the way people treat each other as human beings inside of EVE and how that behavior crosses several lines way too often.

Screw the money, seriously.

I just hope this thing get out of hand. That this thing hit major gaming sites etc, and create enough talk to actually force some mind change in CCP behaviour towards it.

If that won't work, i sure hope Erotica and his friends falls on the wrong victim. The 1 that will actually finds them IRL.
Isnt that RISK VS ISK enough?

I know my last post said I was done for now, but...

You sir, are slime.

greed
grēd/
noun
noun: greed

1.
intense and selfish desire for something, esp. wealth, power, or food.
synonyms: avarice, cupidity, acquisitiveness, covetousness, rapacity; More
materialism, mercenariness;
rarepleonexia;
informalmoney-grubbing, affluenza
"human greed"
gluttony, hunger, voracity, insatiability;
gourmandism, intemperance, overeating, self-indulgence;
informalpiggishness
"her mouth watered with greed"
desire, appetite, hunger, thirst, craving, longing, lust, yearning, hankering;
avidity, eagerness;
informalyen, itch
"their greed for power"
antonyms: generosity, temperance, indifference

Despite what I think of Erotica1 I think even less for the people they scam for they have taken greed and let it blind them from something that is most obviously a scam.

Dont even need to write my own replies sometimes.

Oh crap, Im botting.

Oh wait, wrong thread phew.

I can't even conceive why some people here would defend Erotika for his actions. Especially from a community that can be so willing to fight in-game then so friendly RL.

I don't event understand how people can babble about suicide laws when mittens was banned for this precise reason without any law to back this up. And everything thought that it was a legitimate move of CCP at the time.

Also lets note that Erotika didn't even answer the thread, usually thats the kind of person to answer with bravado to threads like this. Guilt sign?

I also took notice that Malkanis, the CSM member the most widely known for misbehaving and being agressive toward community members on public forums -its not against the CSM rules mind you, just against ethical rules, like here- has been answering quite actively to this thread. To the point where it becomes disturbing...

So... Clearly there is a part of the community here that misunderstood the sandbox concept. They took the in-game caracteristic and used it to justify actions done on a personal-level, out of the game.

Is the fact of torturing someone on non-eve comms against the EULA? Nope.
Is the fact of recording said actions and sharing them with the eve community? If it was for mittens, it definitely is. (remember that part of CCP's justification was because it was done on stream, thus recorded and shared).
Is it a good advertising of the game and an expected behaviour coming from an eve player? Nope.

People are banned on other MMOs because its against the EULA to talk about their game with negativity. if THIS is an acceptable ban behaviour, then again, banning Erotika surely is.

I did not say the violence is justified.

I did say I would laugh and applaud if it occured to an individual as a result of their deliberate griefing and humiliation of other human beings above and beyond the purview and context of the game.

I would laugh and applaud a kid KO:ing the bully who has been griefing and humiliating him as well.

Everyone can agree that EVE allows for a wide range of aggression towards other players.
That is all well and fine.

In these specific incidents perpetrated by Erotica1, however, the extent of abuse, humiliation and griefing extends beyond the confines of the game and becomes frankly an issue for actual legal action. The only thing that protects Erotica1 from that, is that he does not live in the same legal jurisdiction as his victims.

Make no mistake, bring these recordings before any judge or jury, and explain the context to them, and they will all find in favor of the plaintiff.

CCP needs to decide whether they really want to place their stamp of approval on this kind of extreme conduct, griefing and humiliation. I would most certainly encourage that they do NOT accept it, and take punitive action against those who take this game to such extremes.

EVE, the game, does not need or benefit in anyway shape or form from what Erotica1 is doing as evidenced by these recordings.
Not. One. Bit. Neither does the community, and neither does CCP. Infact we ALL stand to lose, thanks to this ridiculously extreme behavior by one single individual. Get rid of them. We don't need or want this kind of poison here.

This is what CCP created.

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