Crime & Punishment

Well, your handle does not instill my confidence in your veracity.

It seems that some people do know what they are talking about, some people are actually trying to learn from the postings, and most people think it is fun to throw the random sabo into the works. Guess who is who?

I plan to eventually do it all-on-one. Though I have inferred that there is some advantage to having an alt in control of your personal corporation. I sandbox and mission, as I skill up. I honestly do not understand the people who are here only to battle, and at first that is all I thought hulkisissydom was all about. But I have come to understand that it is a needed splash in the pond, lest the game become too placid. Now that I am decently skilled in a battleship, as a result of the upcoming event, I feel more confident to take on more aspects of the game. And that, I think, is the point of this thread that has been drifted away from. Very soon now some sleepy players are going to be awakened to the realities of the game they have chosen to play in, and this thread is the forewarning, should they choose to head it. I for one, am looking forward to it, perhaps not this year, but definitely next year, I plan to survive in a Hulk through several engagements so that I can post pics in the forums.

Kinda disappointed this didn't begin on Friday the 13th... somehow, it would have seemed appropriate, if you can use the word "appropriate" around anything or anyone "Goon".

Wow, such vitriol for what? A debate about where stuff is made in a game? What's with the hate hard on for miners? Is it really that critical to life and self identity that the name calling comes out?



You are correct that I have no experience with missions higher that level 2. But that's why I went looking at the data. That and I also have no desire to keep hauling janitors & homeless people till I get something in the magical level 3 mission level.



And besides your gut instinct and personal experience you base this on what (your initial argument was stuff comes from mission running instead of miners and rocks, not level 3 mining missions)? I admit my EVE Online experience is limited which is why I looked at the data, imperfect as it is. Thrilled at the prospect of what other names you can call me I decided to dig a bit deeper into the data. The previous set of numbers is based on minerals per sale and assumes mission runners reprocess and sell that to industry types to make the pew pew toys for sale. I admit it was a quick and dirty and full of assumptions but it's better than the "cause I say so" argument you seem to be fond of.

Below are the base mineral counts divided by the number of NPC kills required to make all the stuff for sale during that same two week period. To be clear this represents what each single NPC kills needs to produce in minerals for the final products on the market to be made as recorded by Eve Central.

Tritanium - 211,906
Pyerite - 30,173
Mexallon - 7,158
Isogen -1,585
Nocxium -528
Zydrine -310
Megacyte - 273
Morphite - 62

These are conservative numbers remember because 1) they are base needs and don't count reprocessing and manufacturing inefficiencies, 2) doesn't include all items on the market. The number of NPC kills is accurate because CCP provides it. If we had all the information for the other have of the equation it would only prove you need more per NPC kill. How much is speculation. Could be 20% or 100%, but it is more and not less.

The question you have yet to answer to justify your belief is do you get that much on average per NPC kill that you do? If you have facts prove otherwise please do present them (facts not opinions). I am willing to accept mission running produces the stuff for sale in Eve if the data supports it. In three months I produce a billion a month in sales from mining rocks. The experienced miners have got to be raking in way more. I've seen belts get cleared in entire systems and it's got to go somewhere. That these numbers are much higher than the first set is evidence that most stuff manufactured is from minerals mined, not purchased on the market.




Plenty of people poke their nose in plenty of places. That's how we learn. When companies want to expand into new markets they collect data and make decisions. That's why the human race crawled out of caves and formed cities and later microwave dinners. I appreciate your love of mission running really. Who am I going to sell my goods to if no one runs missions or plays pirate pew pew? But you need to let go of this hatred of miners dude. Even the goon pirates deserve some love for keeping us on our toes.

While your eating your microwaved hot pocket, ponder this funny irony. This thread is about the impending doom of miners in highsec as pirate goons descend upon us. Instead of quivering in fear we are arguing about mineral counts and ISK per hour. Helicity and the Goons must be pissed.

http://twitter.com/#!/helicityboson

As an example of the type of loot which drops from those rats: Neutron Blaster Cannon I- 25 Megacyte, 321 Nocxium in one item. That item will drop from about one in fifty Serpentis battleships. There are plenty of other comparable items (railguns, electron or ion blasters), so at least you get the idea that the reason more minerals don't come from missions is that an awful lot of loot and wrecks are left to rot.

Is there a date given there? I don't do twitter....

Edit because wrong button.

Or if you are a multi-boxer, you can clear a belt in 30 minutes with 4 hulks and an orca.
Even in high-sec, you are doing about 100m if you know where to do it, and in a quiet system.

You have my ships. Well, some of them.

In other news, please update the OP so I can read whatever happened in this thread. Like **** am I reading 16 pages of internet arguments.