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Mining barges protection buffs,
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Freiday
HC - Voo-Doo Witch
#1 - 2014-02-24 14:03:06 UTC
High cost mining barges need a protection buff. They cost a lot, but are useless because of the risk. Even fully rigged out and with shields they don't stand any chance against single frigates or low-null sec rats. How can we fix this problem? There should be atleast enought time for hearing an alarm go off to be able to jump out of there. Perhaps a special mining barge armor, and warp stabilizer for mining barges? Ore prices are alreadty 50% higher than they once were.
Rendiff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-02-24 14:07:15 UTC
They already gave the mining barges a balance pass. If you want to use a Hulk mine with friends, if you need tank use a Skiff. The Skiff has EHP on par with a battleship if you fit it right.
Luna Arindale
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#3 - 2014-02-24 14:09:14 UTC
Watch your overview, keep a flight of drones. A mining barge should not be able to tank null and lowsec rats. If you get warp scrambled, kill the frigate using your drones and be aligned and burning to the target you want to warp to. Mining barges are ment die easily, exhumers aren't.
Freiday
HC - Voo-Doo Witch
#4 - 2014-02-24 14:22:54 UTC
Luna Arindale wrote:
Watch your overview, keep a flight of drones. A mining barge should not be able to tank null and lowsec rats. If you get warp scrambled, kill the frigate using your drones and be aligned and burning to the target you want to warp to. Mining barges are ment die easily, exhumers aren't.


I ment exhumers. They are seemingly ment to die as well, which makes little sense considering their cost.
Freiday
HC - Voo-Doo Witch
#5 - 2014-02-24 14:33:40 UTC
Rendiff wrote:
They already gave the mining barges a balance pass. If you want to use a Hulk mine with friends, if you need tank use a Skiff. The Skiff has EHP on par with a battleship if you fit it right.


That is great exaggeration, they are nowhere near battleship fittable in protection.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-02-24 14:34:55 UTC
Freiday wrote:
Luna Arindale wrote:
Watch your overview, keep a flight of drones. A mining barge should not be able to tank null and lowsec rats. If you get warp scrambled, kill the frigate using your drones and be aligned and burning to the target you want to warp to. Mining barges are ment die easily, exhumers aren't.


I ment exhumers. They are seemingly ment to die as well, which makes little sense considering their cost.

Yes. All ships are meant to die really. But in this case the skiff is very well suited for the task of survival. I use skiffs in my fleets simply because they are so easy to tank. And a procurer can tank null rats to a certain extent. Those two ships are really good tankers. and cheaper than the other two as well.
Kaerakh
Obscure Joke Implied
#7 - 2014-02-24 14:37:11 UTC
Freiday wrote:
Rendiff wrote:
They already gave the mining barges a balance pass. If you want to use a Hulk mine with friends, if you need tank use a Skiff. The Skiff has EHP on par with a battleship if you fit it right.


That is great exaggeration, they are nowhere near battleship fittable in protection.


I've seen plenty of null sec mining ops to know that you, the op, doesn't have a clue how to mine outside of highsec.

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Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2014-02-24 14:43:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Gimme more Cynos
Mining barges can tank whole 0.0 spawns if you know how. Just learn 2 fit and learn to build non-****** mining fleets.

to say the obvious: Your suggestion is bad, will remain bad and you should feel ashamed for posting it. Only way to make up for your terribly bad suggestion is to biomass yourself after contracting all your stuff to me.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#9 - 2014-02-24 14:55:59 UTC
higher ore prices could be caused by a lot of things, however, the effect of higher ore prices is a direct benefit to you, sir.

As for your idea its pretty bad and unnecessary. Yes the hulk is paper, but its intended to be. If you don't like hulks don't buy them. Plenty of other people know how to use them and will continue to do so happily.

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Trumpets and Bookmarks
#10 - 2014-02-24 15:04:07 UTC
Batelle wrote:
higher ore prices could be caused by a lot of things, however, the effect of higher ore prices is a direct benefit to you, sir.

As for your idea its pretty bad and unnecessary. Yes the hulk is paper, but its intended to be. If you don't like hulks don't buy them. Plenty of other people know how to use them and will continue to do so happily.


^ This.

If you're mining in nullsec you need to decide whether you want to max out on "amount mined per tick", "amount you can fit in the ore bay" or "Tank". The answer to this gives you which barge/exhumer you want. Then you need to decide between maximising on mining to the detriment of having any dps, in which case take mining drones, or whether you want dps in which case take combat drones. If you're in an exhumer you can have both.

These are your choices. Those of us who mine successfully in nullsec with minimal losses have made our decisions shrewdly. I'll give you a hint: if you're in nullsec, unless you're in a far out system with an excellent pipe intel system you shouldn't be using Hulks.

The balance pass worked, as far as I'm concerned.
Dave Stark
#11 - 2014-02-24 18:47:06 UTC
Freiday wrote:
Even fully rigged out and with shields they don't stand any chance against single frigates or low-null sec rats. How can we fix this problem?

non combat ships being unable to kill combat ships isn't a problem, let alone a problem that needs fixing.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2014-02-24 18:58:35 UTC
Dave Stark wrote:
Freiday wrote:
Even fully rigged out and with shields they don't stand any chance against single frigates or low-null sec rats. How can we fix this problem?

non combat ships being unable to kill combat ships isn't a problem, let alone a problem that needs fixing.

Honestly if you cant tank a skiff or procurer to fight a frigate you need to try a different fit. I've seen unsuspecting blops gangs get shredded by a small group of skiffs before.
unidenify
Deaf Armada
#13 - 2014-02-24 19:17:32 UTC
Rowells wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Freiday wrote:
Even fully rigged out and with shields they don't stand any chance against single frigates or low-null sec rats. How can we fix this problem?

non combat ships being unable to kill combat ships isn't a problem, let alone a problem that needs fixing.

Honestly if you cant tank a skiff or procurer to fight a frigate you need to try a different fit. I've seen unsuspecting blops gangs get shredded by a small group of skiffs before.

I sort want to see those kill mail for giggle

same with battle badger.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#14 - 2014-02-24 19:31:06 UTC
love freiday threads.

couple days ago my untanked max mine fit covetor killed a couple low sec belt spawns. as to why this had to happen is another story, but i still had about 17% shield left even after one spawned right after the other. So they arent that bad in low sec

but really u shouldnt be expecting ur barges to be able to handle combat. have friends to help u, or use something tougher like a skiff or procuror. or have a combat ship nearby to swap into to clear the belt from time to time.

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HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#15 - 2014-02-24 20:18:04 UTC
I took wormholes to null when I was a noob; noob procurer kills battleships fine.
Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-02-24 20:32:23 UTC
unidenify wrote:
Rowells wrote:
Dave Stark wrote:
Freiday wrote:
Even fully rigged out and with shields they don't stand any chance against single frigates or low-null sec rats. How can we fix this problem?

non combat ships being unable to kill combat ships isn't a problem, let alone a problem that needs fixing.

Honestly if you cant tank a skiff or procurer to fight a frigate you need to try a different fit. I've seen unsuspecting blops gangs get shredded by a small group of skiffs before.

I sort want to see those kill mail for giggle

same with battle badger.

I have one where my mackinaw took a bomber solo, but it's pretty old and i cant find it on evekill....hmmm
Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2014-02-24 20:36:35 UTC
You can get a skiff to >100k HP, where is your problem?

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Rowells
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2014-02-24 20:43:09 UTC
https://zkillboard.com/detail/26399683/

Even a mackinaw is capable of some sort of self defense. And i would hardly say it was "fully rigged out and with shields". Just your average max yield fitting.
Damien White
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-02-24 20:47:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Damien White
Well, he used a thermal bomb... realy bad idea, with 84.6% thermal is the highest resist of a tanked mackinaw.


But yes, you can tank even a Mackinaw well, as long as you dont go for absolute maximum yield.


EDIT: In case you wanna bomb an Exhumer and he is known to have a good tank, go for kinetic.

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Stephanie Rosefire
EYES 3VERYWHERE
United Neopian Federation
#20 - 2014-02-24 20:50:58 UTC
Rendiff wrote:
They already gave the mining barges a balance pass. If you want to use a Hulk mine with friends, if you need tank use a Skiff. The Skiff has EHP on par with a battleship if you fit it right.


skiffs and procs have no way of defending themselves, if you get caught with a scram or a disruptor, you are as good as dead. if you cant flee and you cant defend yourself, whats the point?
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