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Dev Blog: Alliance Logos & You - Clarification on submissions

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Amely Miles
Second Exile
#421 - 2014-12-12 06:59:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Amely Miles
Primary This Rifter wrote:
Having a watermark on every alliance logo is stupid, especially if you have it on ships. It's going to look stupid. And furthermore it's completely unnecessary.

Why can't you see that CCP was just trying to stall on this subject long enough to get you to agree with it just so you can get the submission process working again?


Of course you are right but CCP is a Business first and a game second...they look around and seeing money going in other peoples pockets and see a chance to tax it by saying thats ours you can't do that heres a lawyer talk to him and give us money.

theres another post somewhere where they updated EULA or TOS i can't remember what it was maybe it was both that was talking about charging third party developers

CCP also Inflated the costs of PLEX so that more people had to break out the Credit/Debit card thru the use of Sculpting, multiple training, ship skins, more clothes and other things that require Plex


Edit: As a Ex Business Owner i understand (tho they loose content generation by people unsubbing)....As a Gamer i think it's a bit screwed up

As I slipped my finger slowly inside her hole, I could immediately feel it getting wetter and wetter.

I took my finger back out and within seconds she was going down on me.

"I really need a new boat," I thought to myself.

Dani Maulerant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#422 - 2014-12-21 00:43:22 UTC
Bumping again.
Amely Miles
Second Exile
#423 - 2014-12-21 07:07:20 UTC
if i remember correctly it was 5 months ago since there was a update by a CCP representative ... we getting one soon? ... or is this thread just being buried? ... honestly a game that was just released yesterday that has spaceships might have better support then this

As I slipped my finger slowly inside her hole, I could immediately feel it getting wetter and wetter.

I took my finger back out and within seconds she was going down on me.

"I really need a new boat," I thought to myself.

Jared Noan
Harbingers of Chaos Inc.
Fraternity.
#424 - 2014-12-24 16:52:35 UTC
Dani Maulerant wrote:
Bumping again.


Bumping is against the forum rules.

Jared bumps the thread again.

Merry Christmas.
Ortho Loess
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#425 - 2014-12-24 17:00:58 UTC
I doubt I'll be bothered to post tomorrow, so I'll take this opportunity to point out that tomorrow marks the one year anniversary of us first receiving a copyright claim against our logo, originating from CCP.

The fallout from this (and others getting similar mails) lead to the current situation.

Lawyers are famous for stretching things out, so that they get paid more. This lot should have an extra glass of whatever ludicrously expensive cognac they prefer to celebrate being able to get away with such an outrageous display of worthless poor advice to CCP.
Amely Miles
Second Exile
#426 - 2014-12-24 17:45:09 UTC
i LOVE CCP and have played EVE religiously for 4 years every single day 8-14hrs a day (9accounts thats 27 alts) normally except 10 days i went to Portugal last summer for vacation but i still checked and sent mails on evegate...however the customer support that CCP is giving us on our alliance logos is making me feel like i'm in the movie Chicago with Richard Gere singing Razzle dazzle to me

i run a Alliance and am seriously thinking of dissolving my 250 active man alliance (and growing) and playing Elite Dangerous instead ..... update us CCP or else the Bunny gets it Evil by the way ....THIS IS VELDSPAR!!!

As I slipped my finger slowly inside her hole, I could immediately feel it getting wetter and wetter.

I took my finger back out and within seconds she was going down on me.

"I really need a new boat," I thought to myself.

TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#427 - 2014-12-25 22:22:40 UTC
Maybe someone would make a presentation for fanfest with thread with soonTM function, just to list them and explain them. This one and contracts feedback would be good examples.

"Dogma is kind of like quantum physics, observing the dogma state will change it." ~ CCP Prism X

"Schrödinger's Missile. I dig it." ~ Makari Aeron

-= "Brain in a Box on Singularity" - April 2015 =-

Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#428 - 2014-12-31 15:34:48 UTC
This is just ******* sad.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#429 - 2014-12-31 15:38:09 UTC
I'm really not sure whether to be mad at CCP or sad for them at this point but I do feel pretty confident in saying that your legal team is laughing at you behind your backs.
Ferni Ka'Nviiou
Doomheim
#430 - 2015-01-03 04:55:12 UTC
Why ever do simple issues like this need to be complicated beyond comprehension? The answer to this has been suggested since the beginning, has it not?

Is CCP legal even considering a thought-process outside their own?
David Laurentson
Laurentson INC
#431 - 2015-01-03 17:35:09 UTC
Ortho Loess wrote:
I doubt I'll be bothered to post tomorrow, so I'll take this opportunity to point out that tomorrow marks the one year anniversary of us first receiving a copyright claim against our logo, originating from CCP.

The fallout from this (and others getting similar mails) lead to the current situation.

Lawyers are famous for stretching things out, so that they get paid more. This lot should have an extra glass of whatever ludicrously expensive cognac they prefer to celebrate being able to get away with such an outrageous display of worthless poor advice to CCP.


Happy Lawyerversary, I guess!
Hassan Al-Fassir
Project N 3.0
#432 - 2015-01-05 10:28:50 UTC
Happy new year, same old topic.

+1 for "wants his logo ingame someday without stupid 1214 pages rules"

God, its a game, why does this get so complicatet -.-
Dani Maulerant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#433 - 2015-01-11 07:11:46 UTC
Can we have an update if the hilariously incompetent "legal Team" has even been given the watermark proposal yet?
Saint John Hawke
Dnari Mining and Manufacturing
#434 - 2015-01-11 21:15:41 UTC
You know what frosts me about this kind of thing?

Contracts between entities are supposed to be a matter of mutual agreement. Instead we get big corporations with lots of lawyers telling us how it's gonna be, and if we don't like it, tough.

My basic reaction to this kind of thing is "screw you".
Koebmand
Silverflames
#435 - 2015-01-12 13:35:25 UTC
Thread too long to read and doesn't seem to be a final answer from CCP.

What confuses me is this.

If I make a piece of program, I can give anyone the right to use it in their program - including for free in programs they are going to be selling commercially. While retaining the right to use it as I please myself - including selling the the same right to use to someone third.

This is called a non-exclusive agrement.

Why can't the logo be treated the same way? I don't see the difference on picture and algorithm here?
RDevz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#436 - 2015-01-14 21:50:20 UTC
Koebmand wrote:
Thread too long to read and doesn't seem to be a final answer from CCP.

What confuses me is this.

If I make a piece of program, I can give anyone the right to use it in their program - including for free in programs they are going to be selling commercially. While retaining the right to use it as I please myself - including selling the the same right to use to someone third.

This is called a non-exclusive agrement.

Why can't the logo be treated the same way? I don't see the difference on picture and algorithm here?


Because CCP's lawyers are either incompetent or evil, and wilfully ignore the fact that if someone isn't in a position to licence the work under the most generous conditions possible short of exclusivity, there's not a chance in hell that they're in a position to transfer the copyright.

~

Marielle Swann
Swann Inc.
#437 - 2015-01-15 09:06:40 UTC
well I know Ive submitted my Logo on 26.11.2013

and was already accepted and just awaiting to be dumped to the database (approved by art team). then this **** happened so everything halted..

but seriously tho, the lack of communication on CCP side is just unacceptable, even for an old enough company who provides service.
I can understand Falcon is doing hes best and fighting it with the lawyers... but its not helpful at all when you yourself stay quiet.
at the very least, communicate with the community even with out a news... just letting us know ur still there and busy about it.
Amely Miles
Second Exile
#438 - 2015-01-15 12:39:36 UTC
Marielle Swann wrote:
well I know Ive submitted my Logo on 26.11.2013

and was already accepted and just awaiting to be dumped to the database (approved by art team). then this **** happened so everything halted..

but seriously tho, the lack of communication on CCP side is just unacceptable, even for an old enough company who provides service.
I can understand Falcon is doing hes best and fighting it with the lawyers... but its not helpful at all when you yourself stay quiet.
at the very least, communicate with the community even with out a news... just letting us know ur still there and busy about it.


+1

As I slipped my finger slowly inside her hole, I could immediately feel it getting wetter and wetter.

I took my finger back out and within seconds she was going down on me.

"I really need a new boat," I thought to myself.

Dani Maulerant
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#439 - 2015-01-17 00:23:27 UTC
Or just proceed with opening under a 'watermark' rule written up by CCP themselves. Lawyers be damned. Them not doing their job CCP pays them for is really pissing off a lot of paying customers.
Primary This Rifter
Mutual Fund of the Something
#440 - 2015-01-17 01:02:09 UTC
Permanent, non-exclusive, irrevocable license with permission to use and distribute.
No transfer of copyright. No watermarks. No compromise.