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An insult to the spirit of Eve Online

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Infinimo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2011-11-09 20:21:36 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
reset may zonday

leave our newbies alone

Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~

Scalar Angulargf
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#62 - 2011-11-09 20:27:19 UTC
Infinimo wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
reset may zonday

leave our newbies alone

Newbees best bees
Justin Bieber
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2011-11-09 20:33:26 UTC
Scalar Angulargf wrote:
Infinimo wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
reset may zonday

leave our newbies alone

Newbees best bees


Long live our Deklein Motherland, built by The Mittani's mighty hand.
Long live our New Bees, Rifters and Vee!
Infinimo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2011-11-09 20:42:52 UTC
Justin Bieber wrote:
Scalar Angulargf wrote:
Infinimo wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
reset may zonday

leave our newbies alone

Newbees best bees


Long live our Deklein Motherland, built by The Mittani's mighty hand.
Long live our New Bees, Rifters and Vee!

:ussr:

Theta Squad best squad. Monocle crew represent~

Richard Bong
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#65 - 2011-11-09 20:43:28 UTC
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[ASK] Me about drive by thread shitting!

Sephiroth Clone VII
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#66 - 2011-11-09 20:50:45 UTC
The GM should switch that to a warning (not a rule) for players about recruitment scams in the channel "never join a corp that asks for lots of isk, look out for scams ccp does not moderate the channel".

Making up rules... yea..... what the hell.

And good luck stopping the scamming in jita.
Scalar Angulargf
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#67 - 2011-11-09 20:54:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Scalar Angulargf
Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:
The GM should switch that to a warning (not a rule) for players about recruitment scams in the channel "never join a corp that asks for lots of isk, look out for scams ccp does not moderate the channel".

Making up rules... yea..... what the hell.

And good luck stopping the scamming in jita.


Where's my dislike butan

Besides isn't something like this already in the tutorial?
Trusty Jutspezic
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2011-11-09 21:22:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Trusty Jutspezic
The recruitment channel is basically a newbie system for our new players to learn the art of scamming. GM Thunder cares more about two year old mission runners keeping their CNRs than newbies learning about a celebrated part of the game. Sickening.

Newsflash you jackasses, if you're rich enough to get scammed, you're rich enough to know better.
Poetic Stanziel
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2011-11-09 21:24:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Poetic Stanziel
I joined this game because of the tales of scamming.

Hell, I don't scam, but I love playing a game where someone might catch me out with one.
Venus Vermillion
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2011-11-09 21:48:04 UTC
The use of Icelandic Mind Reading Devices (IMRDs) is nothing new.

How else would they have known exactly what to create in order to draw in millions of subscribers through Incarna, right?

What's that you say? They can't read minds? Well, that leads me to believe that this particular GM's flight of fancy can't possibly be enforced since they can't possibly know where you found any given person whom you might or might not have scammed. "My friend Jake told me he knew this a-hole and I should scam him, so I did."

Of course, they also can't prove a scam in the first place as long as you never admit it. Just because somebody handed you ships and isk doesn't mean that they were scammed... it means they were stupid.
HELIC0N ONE
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#71 - 2011-11-09 21:50:55 UTC
Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:
The GM should switch that to a warning (not a rule) for players about recruitment scams in the channel "never join a corp that asks for lots of isk, look out for scams ccp does not moderate the channel"


There are loads of corps out there that legitimately charge fees to join and not as part of a scam.

Granted, those corps are pretty much all terrible, but they do exist
Levarr Burton
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society
United Federation of Conifers
#72 - 2011-11-09 21:51:16 UTC
Does joining a corporation which advertises in the Recruitment channel with the intention of ripping it off also constitute a bannable offense now? Or is it just taking advantage of people who should know better but don't the thing that is bannable?

This smacks of uninformed/incompetent GM overstep, without fully thinking through the effect of the policy, or even without thinking through the entirety of what the policy would constitute.

Free DurrHurrDurr.
NUXI7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2011-11-09 22:22:27 UTC
HELIC0N ONE wrote:
Sephiroth CloneIIV wrote:
The GM should switch that to a warning (not a rule) for players about recruitment scams in the channel "never join a corp that asks for lots of isk, look out for scams ccp does not moderate the channel"


There are loads of corps out there that legitimately charge fees to join and not as part of a scam.

Granted, those corps are pretty much all terrible, but they do exist


For example, I heard that at one point DNS simply charged a flat membership fee instead of using corp taxes. Their reasoning was that taxes were unfair as they did not apply to all forms of income in game. I find this rather insightful.
Largo Coronet
Perkone
Caldari State
#74 - 2011-11-09 22:24:42 UTC
Levarr Burton wrote:
Free DurrHurrDurr.
With every purchase of a monocle.

This is my signature. There are many others like it, but this one is mine.

Someday, this signature may save my life.

Tomytronic
Perkone
Caldari State
#75 - 2011-11-09 22:25:24 UTC
So everyone who gets scammed for anything now will claim they were in the recruitment channel and so will get the scamming player banned.

This is such a brilliant move! Go CCP!
the SNEEP
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2011-11-09 22:26:27 UTC
ground floor
NUXI7
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2011-11-09 22:28:01 UTC
Levarr Burton wrote:
Does joining a corporation which advertises in the Recruitment channel with the intention of ripping it off also constitute a bannable offense now? Or is it just taking advantage of people who should know better but don't the thing that is bannable?

This smacks of uninformed/incompetent GM overstep, without fully thinking through the effect of the policy, or even without thinking through the entirety of what the policy would constitute.



Or awoxing, or spying, or any number of things. All of these are up for interpretation now.

How about recruiting people and then shooting them in game because CONCORD will not intervene anymore? As this is an intended mechanic to allow for PvP training in highsec, is this scamming? How about the CEO or director walking off with corp shared assets promised to members?

Free DurrHurrDurr.
Jessie Gavin
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2011-11-09 22:36:47 UTC
May Zonday wrote:
reset test


Kick B0rt!
Verstorbene Tyral
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#79 - 2011-11-09 22:43:55 UTC
This is the order of things:

Scamming in recruitment is illegal...
Scamming in populated areas is illegal...
Scamming is illegal...
Corp Theft is illegal...
Awoxing is illegal...
Spying is illegal...
Betrayal is illegal...
Lying is illegal...

The system is designed so that players know (or should) exactly what they're giving and what they're receiving. It's not an exploit of any system that scammers in recruitment use. It's pure charisma and deceit. The moment you decide we aren't allowed to lie to people about letting them into our "super elite guild", you must also make it wrong to lie about any other aspect of the game. You must make it wrong to ransom enemies. You must make deceit in diplomacy illegal.

Hell, perhaps even strategy will be illegal.

"The enemy acted like he was going to a gate, but he cloaked and went to THIS gate instead! He intentionally deceived me in order to escape my wrath! I DEMAND A KILLMAIL!"

Even a warning would be ridiculous. If you warn people about specific corporations, you single them out and put them at a disadvantage in real game terms.

And if anyone reads this and disagrees with me, then you're clearly playing the wrong game. This is Eve. CCP promotes Eve as a cold universe where corporate espionage and strategy and even metagaming is a good thing. This isn't a game with sunshine and ponies (although, how awesome would that be?). If you do something stupid, you deserve to pay the price. If you keep playing after you do something stupid, you probably won't fall for it again. However, the moment a GM intervenes and makes it illegal for someone to put you in a position in which you do something stupid, not only does that add arbitrary rules to the game, but you don't learn **** and you'll always be a terrible player.
Jason Duril
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#80 - 2011-11-09 22:57:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jason Duril
Better content, less handholding. What is this, kindergarten? If so, I wish to eat other kids lunches.