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20 seconds can be an eternity. Any ship able to tank enough to pull off even a share all will likely die in a fire if its just a single ship, who's only purpose is to divvy up the ESS contents before getting pillaged by your small gang. You'll get a killmail, ratter will possibly not lose stored isk, just what was invested in the alt killmail and the very likely dead ESS. What you seem to be asking for is a strategic objective worth fighting for, but by white knighting CCP's push to add the content, the ESS just isn't going to give you what you keep saying that you want out of it. Keep making suggestions for it to be bad though.

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20 seconds is an eternity if you are ON GRID with hostiles. But 20 seconds isn't enough time for the hostiles to actually land on grid and stop you. That's what I'm trying to point out.

I come into system to hunt a ratter. He immediately warps to a POS as soon as he sees me in local. I pout to myself as I land on grid in the anomaly he just left, but accept it. At that point, he swaps to a stabbed inty and warps to the ESS. I see in local he has landed on the ESS, and initiate warp to catch him. He hits share all and warps off before I can even land! Alternatively, he immediately scoops the ESS upon landing and redploys it to collect his iskies after we leave.

I'm not a fan of forcing the thieves to destroy the structure. One of the beauties of the ESS, is I really don't have a strong desire to blow it up (as a thief) because I'd hope to raid it again at a later date/time. Also, there are many ways of entering the heart of ratting territory from behind enemy lines. WH's are wonderful for this.

I think the be on grid for several minutes is a good thing.. It gives the locals time to form up, and it leaves the hostiles on grid in a semi-vulnerable state. I just hope it tells me how much is stored in the device so I can make a judgement call as to whether sticking around is worth it.

So let's get this straight:

1) EVE is a game which requires one to earn isk to survive the wilds of PVP in null sec.
2) CCP wants to foster PVP by introducing the ESS which nerfs the major source of income new players can get in the game
3) as a builder, I don't accept LP as payment, so I don't care about them at all
4) These LP are predominately earned now by level 5 mission runners in safe empire which they trade for big isk - soon to be small isk.
5) The ESS still doesn't warrant deployment by alliances because most places in space have at least a few reds running around. Tell me again, what reason do I have to incentivize these reds to shoot at me? Oh LP that I didn't want - I forgot.
6) With reds/neuts running around, all ratting ceases anyway, because PVE fit ships cannot fight PVP fit ships.
7) I still wait for the reds to leave, then I get yet another structure to blow the hell out of.

So the net result is empire mission runners get screwed and forced further out in space, but since the payouts in space are decreasing it becomes more difficult for those new players to participate and understand PVP, which you want to foster with a module most, if any, will not deploy, and that I probably will have to participate in a fleet to blow it up, which eats the limited time I have to play the game. Space rich players however, have no such issues and simply get more newbie targets to shoot at.

Got it. Makes complete sense.

And not one red cent is being spent on ways to reduce lag, one of the biggest issues in the entire game?

Really? This is what you spend your time on?

If you really are just after more cash - please just nerf rat income by 5% and be done with it. ESS is the most convoluted, stupid idea I've seen proposed.

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It came to mind last night that this is the first major firing across the bow to kick people out of New Eden. For some it will be to the "new" space accessible by the player built stargate(s) - to get away from the obnoxious Concord. For the rest of us it will be to a new game to get away from CCP.

You don't have it straight, as most of your statements are way out of whack:

1) EVE is a game which requires one to earn isk to survive the wilds of PVP in null sec.
-- Isk is used for many purposes in this game, not just to survive in the wild.

2) CCP wants to foster PVP by introducing the ESS which nerfs the major source of income new players can get in the game
-- It is a 5% nerf to income if you don't use the ESS.
-- If you use the ESS, you have the potential to make even MORE income than you would now.

3) as a builder, I don't accept LP as payment, so I don't care about them at all
-- LP is used to acquire Implants, skillbooks, Faction modules & ships, and for you builders: you can acquire BPC's of faction modules, ships, POCOs, and more. These are then sold for isk, where the average conversion rate is 1000 isk / LP.

4) These LP are predominately earned now by level 5 mission runners in safe empire which they trade for big isk - soon to be small isk.
-- This is completely untrue. LP is earned by incrusion runners, by FW particpants, and by mission runners. Believe it or not, LP is a substantial part of the rewards players earn for participating in the above activities. Now they are bringing these rewards to nullsec ratters too!. Now, the Empire Navy LP are also earned by L5 Mission runners, which is a significant part of their rewards. And FYI, L5 missions are in lowsec, which is hardly "safe empire".

5) The ESS still doesn't warrant deployment by alliances because most places in space have at least a few reds running around. Tell me again, what reason do I have to incentivize these reds to shoot at me? Oh LP that I didn't want - I forgot.
-- If you can't protect it, don't use it. Live with the 5% nerf until you can protect your space. (Don't you think there is something wrong with this game if you and your friends can protect your space from being taken from you, but you can't protect your system from being raided while you are actively ratting there?)

6) With reds/neuts running around, all ratting ceases anyway, because PVE fit ships cannot fight PVP fit ships.
-- So swap ships.... this device doesn't force you to use your PvE ships to fight. Don't attack until/unless you are ready, and use intel channels to give you a heads up on when to form up.

7) I still wait for the reds to leave, then I get yet another structure to blow the hell out of.
-- They won't deploy it on you because you can easily blow it up within 5 minutes using an ABC. If you don't deploy it, it "usually" won't get deployed in your system.


No offense, but I don't see the logically flow within the above rant. It certainly doesn't make sense.


CCP has and is spending enormous amounts of time and money to improve lag. However, when you put 4000 players into a system, you're gonna get some massive lag. There are limitations, even given the military grade hardware they are currently using to run the servers on!!!

Who doesn't have half a million RP these days? RP accrue pretty slowly (100 per day per agent), so you'll rarely make more than 500k isk a day per character, and that takes months to be worthwhile to cash out. In comparison, at 7.5k LP per hour, you'll hit a 100m worth of LP within 14 hours of playtime, making it much, much more likely you'll get off your lazy ass to turn that into isk. Furthermore, Navy LP stores are all over the place, unlike your R&D agents which are spread througout the verse at very specific locations.

Finally, you don't have to play the 0.01 isk war... Sell your **** to a corp mate or sell it to buy orders, but don't complain about the 0.01 isk game when your the one wasting time trying to maximize your isk/lp.

That is true, I hadn't considered that. Good point!

I personally would like to see CCP use some intelligence and work on the issues with the game, before providing more useless structures.

So I tested the ESS on Sisi tonight, and the largest issue I have with it is you cannot stop the "access timers".

If I get to the ESS and choose steal isk or share isk, the only way that the payout doesn't go through is if I power away from the ESS or get blown up. With the current 20s and/or 3 minute timers, this really doesn't leave adequate time for either party to defend the ESS.

Here is one suggestion I'd like to make:

1.) Make it so you must lock the ESS to interact with it.
2.) Make it so if more than one person locks the ESS, the timer for payouts slows and/or stops.

This way, there is a mechanic that either side can use to prolong the response window.