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Dev blog: More Deployables from Super Friends

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Turelus
Utassi Security
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#181 - 2014-01-14 17:31:16 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Literally 95% of the naysayers in this thread so far are Goonswarm Federation. So here is a message for you guys, maybe you missed it.

You do not have to use the ESS if you do not want to.

mind = blown

Well I am not Goonswarm and as it is now it's most likely not going to deployed by Providence Sov holders.
However if I am correct in reading anyone can drop one of these so even if the Sov Holder doesn't want to ruin the system for their line members any roaming red can do so instead, it's a interesting "fight creation" tool but the blog is selling it more as a "look at this great new upgrade for your space!" which it really isn't.

Turelus CEO Utassi Security
Antisun
Without the Daystar
#182 - 2014-01-14 17:32:54 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
[quote=Antisun][quote=Steve Ronuken] ....

Regardless, having a guy setup to murder interceptors chill at the ESS while his buddies rat seems like a good idea.



A quick Lachesis with a friendly ESS anchored under the guns of a POS will kill many an interceptor.
Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#183 - 2014-01-14 17:33:03 UTC
Marlona Sky with her ever so 'uselful' insight and weird hate-boner for goons typing a bunch of words while saying absolutely nothing, yet maintaining an air of bitterness that's almost admirable.
BoomBoss
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#184 - 2014-01-14 17:33:15 UTC
CCP SoniClover wrote:
Qoi wrote:
Where will you be able to convert ISK tags into ISK?


The empire fleets stations (Federation Navy stations, etc.).


So let me get this straight. You want us to move all the way to empire to get our ISK? We, the 0.0 players that try to avoid that place at all cost. Going to empire with only like a few mil is just not worth it. Going there with a bil calls for a gank.

So, not only is there a huge risk in getting the tags stolen, but also being blown up while going to highsec. Seriously? At least make the tages rightclickale so they can be funded to the wallet from any station. Not just empire stations. That is just stupid.

risk vs reward... but this goes way too far.
Zeppo Miromme
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#185 - 2014-01-14 17:33:39 UTC
While everybody talk about bounties and pirates, please note that cash (money that can be physically moved around and exchanged) has been introduced, in four new currencies.
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#186 - 2014-01-14 17:33:39 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Literally 95% of the naysayers in this thread so far are Goonswarm Federation. So here is a message for you guys, maybe you missed it.

You do not have to use the ESS if you do not want to.

mind = blown


I thought you had more sense than this, but I guess I've been overestimating you.

No sig.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#187 - 2014-01-14 17:34:13 UTC
Innominate wrote:
Longdrinks wrote:
Looking forward to these as a way to maybe force a fight from bears who usually dock up untill i leave system.


What makes you think that will happen?

They won't anchor them because the ESS helps you more than it helps them. If you anchor one they'll still stay docked up until you leave, then blow up the ESS and go back to ratting.

If they are truly pathetic, they won't defend their ESS, this is true. Sad, considering how easy it would be, but true.

However if you drop one and leave, you'll be notified the moment they get in it's area. Since they are unlikely to blow it up with a few interceptors they'll have to bring something bigger... in a bubble.... to a spot you can warp to directly.

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Rekkr Nordgard
Steelforge Heavy Industries
#188 - 2014-01-14 17:35:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Rekkr Nordgard
Fix POSes? Nope.
Fix Sov? Nope.
Fix TiDi? Nope.
Fix Corp roles? Nope.
Iterate on FW? Nope.
Rework PvE? Nope.

Nerfing nullsec income to make it even more empty and less desirable? YES, now THAT'S the important thing CCP needs to be spending its time and resources on.


Chitsa Jason wrote:
This is definatelly going to give some goals for small gangs. For one I am happy how this feature turned out. Thank you CCP for listening in to CSM feedback.


Well it's good to know who not to vote for next time.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#189 - 2014-01-14 17:35:47 UTC
Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Literally 95% of the naysayers in this thread so far are Goonswarm Federation. So here is a message for you guys, maybe you missed it.

You do not have to use the ESS if you do not want to.

mind = blown


I thought you had more sense than this, but I guess I've been overestimating you.

You might note that the more intelligent goons have suddenly stopped complaining about them.

There's a reason for that. Blink

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greiton starfire
Accidentally Hardcore
#190 - 2014-01-14 17:36:08 UTC
Anariasis wrote:
Really looking forward to the ESS. Everytime we get a new WH into a system with ratters there's either the option to go stealing or setup an own one - and maybe get a fight.

I don't get the problems people seem to have with interceptors setting up the ESS or stealing from them. Let me address a few of the possible situations.

  • If CCP wants to avoid interceptors deploying the units, just make them too big for their cargo. They all got <100m³ of space, which of course can be boosted quite a bit (373m³ max I guess) but yeah, then the interceptor has lost quite some fighting capabilities.
  • If an single enemy enters the system and drops an ESS, you can do what you do now anyway: stop ratting until he's gone. Or get intel what he's flying (shouldn't be too hard, you have intel channels, scanners, a POS/station to exchange ships), get in a proper pvp ship and blast his ESS. Minus 30 million for him. Done.
  • If an enemy fleet drops an ESS in your system, do what you do now anyway. Stop ratting. Destroy the thing when they are gone. Or get some friends and defend your space!
  • Single enemy in an interceptor tries to steal the tags. Well, from the moment he enters system you got approx. a minute to get to the ESS. If you didn't place the ESS stupidly close to the gate where he enters but close to your POS (as close as CCP allows), you will most likely make it. And then it's you in a sensor boosted anti-frig ship vs. an interceptor. Both waiting for a can to spawn to which the inty most likely needs to burn first... Did I mention you shouldn't rat alone in system. It might be even you and a few corpmates vs the inty trying to steal
  • Enemy fleet enters your ratting system and empties your ESS. Your intel has messed up, you deserve the loss.
  • WH spawns into your system with active people behind. You really want to have an ESS deployed then already, or one just might pop up at the WH and you won't have fun finding out what else lurks behind it ;)


There's s.th. seriously wrong with risk vs reward in ratting though. The ISK/h should be 0.0 Ratting >>> FW > HS Incursions.

Edit: Forgot something. If you rat all day together with your corp/allymates and then one of them warps to it and presses the button to keep all the money for himself... then maybe you should change corp. Or maybe get him kicked before he can move all his belongings out of your 0.0 staging...



no people arn't complaining about ninja dropping them, we are saying no group will use it for themselves as it is susceptible to inties. as for ninja droping them ratters would react like they do when a hostile force drops in... just dock up. once you leave they will blow it up together and go on ratting.
Proletariat Tingtango
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#191 - 2014-01-14 17:37:49 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
Hatsumi Kobayashi wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Literally 95% of the naysayers in this thread so far are Goonswarm Federation. So here is a message for you guys, maybe you missed it.

You do not have to use the ESS if you do not want to.

mind = blown


I thought you had more sense than this, but I guess I've been overestimating you.

You might note that the more intelligent goons have suddenly stopped complaining about them.

There's a reason for that. Blink


A smarter man might still notice that ratter income is taking a hit for exactly zero reason because CCP wants to introduce a conflict-creating module that won't get used, so the net effect being that people who shoot red crosses to finance their pvp, get to pvp less.

This is moronic. No, they won't be deployed. Yes, this is still comletely asinine. Stop pretending otherwise.
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#192 - 2014-01-14 17:38:11 UTC
BoomBoss wrote:
CCP SoniClover wrote:
Qoi wrote:
Where will you be able to convert ISK tags into ISK?


The empire fleets stations (Federation Navy stations, etc.).


So let me get this straight. You want us to move all the way to empire to get our ISK? We, the 0.0 players that try to avoid that place at all cost. Going to empire with only like a few mil is just not worth it. Going there with a bil calls for a gank.

So, not only is there a huge risk in getting the tags stolen, but also being blown up while going to highsec. Seriously? At least make the tages rightclickale so they can be funded to the wallet from any station. Not just empire stations. That is just stupid.

risk vs reward... but this goes way too far.

Press the share button and recive ISK, press the I WANT EVERYTHING button (Like a thief would do it) and get the tags.

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Ravcharas
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#193 - 2014-01-14 17:38:19 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

However if you drop one and leave, you'll be notified the moment they get in it's area. Since they are unlikely to blow it up with a few interceptors they'll have to bring something bigger... in a bubble.... to a spot you can warp to directly.


Three dudes in torpbombers knocks one down in a minute and a half
ckinoutdahoe
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#194 - 2014-01-14 17:39:12 UTC
This is the biggest waste of code I have seen in a while.

Why not do sometthing productive !!!!!

Such as How corp admin works or pos roles.

This is so long over due it is not even funny.

So ya already figured out how to waste code...... make it for for the empire and null sec too.

I will be more than happy to fly an interceptor into the bubble and steal isk.

That is what it is all about right.

What is good for the goose is good for the gander so to speak.

Let all sectors feel the pain you are willing to inflict in null space.

For so long you have tried to get people into null space and now you want to do the reverse.

All I can see in the future is more pain for empire space since it is more fun to kill everyone no matter where hostiles/nuets hide.

For that matter; it dont matter what so ever.

If you have a big wallet and many of us old members have; we can now buy our way back to positive sec statis.

So waste you time on Important stuff.

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#195 - 2014-01-14 17:39:31 UTC
Rekkr Nordgard wrote:
Fix POSes? Nope.
Fix Sov? Nope.
Fix TiDi? Nope.
Fix Corp roles? Nope.
Iterate on FW? Nope.
Rework PvE? Nope.

Nerfing nullsec income to make it even more empty and less desirable? YES, now THAT'S the important thing CCP needs to be spending its time and resources on.

It's no wonder CCP says they don't have time to work on those other things when they keep putting out ******** token **** like this.

If they spent their time working on things that need to be fixed rather than adding stupid new mechanics that make no sense and which ultimately hurt the game we'd all be much better off.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Snowflake Tem
The Order of Symbolic Measures
#196 - 2014-01-14 17:40:04 UTC
I see some interesting possibilities for using these as checkpoints for sensitive transactions. Looking forward to having a play to see how far they can be perverted.
Saab Kado
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#197 - 2014-01-14 17:45:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Saab Kado
TL, DR

Nullsec ratting income is nerfed by 5%

Period.
Anariasis
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#198 - 2014-01-14 17:45:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Anariasis
greiton starfire wrote:
Anariasis wrote:
Really looking forward to the ESS. Everytime we get a new WH into a system with ratters there's either the option to go stealing or setup an own one - and maybe get a fight.

I don't get the problems people seem to have with interceptors setting up the ESS or stealing from them. Let me address a few of the possible situations.

  • If CCP wants to avoid interceptors deploying the units, just make them too big for their cargo. They all got <100m³ of space, which of course can be boosted quite a bit (373m³ max I guess) but yeah, then the interceptor has lost quite some fighting capabilities.
  • If an single enemy enters the system and drops an ESS, you can do what you do now anyway: stop ratting until he's gone. Or get intel what he's flying (shouldn't be too hard, you have intel channels, scanners, a POS/station to exchange ships), get in a proper pvp ship and blast his ESS. Minus 30 million for him. Done.
  • If an enemy fleet drops an ESS in your system, do what you do now anyway. Stop ratting. Destroy the thing when they are gone. Or get some friends and defend your space!
  • Single enemy in an interceptor tries to steal the tags. Well, from the moment he enters system you got approx. a minute to get to the ESS. If you didn't place the ESS stupidly close to the gate where he enters but close to your POS (as close as CCP allows), you will most likely make it. And then it's you in a sensor boosted anti-frig ship vs. an interceptor. Both waiting for a can to spawn to which the inty most likely needs to burn first... Did I mention you shouldn't rat alone in system. It might be even you and a few corpmates vs the inty trying to steal
  • Enemy fleet enters your ratting system and empties your ESS. Your intel has messed up, you deserve the loss.
  • WH spawns into your system with active people behind. You really want to have an ESS deployed then already, or one just might pop up at the WH and you won't have fun finding out what else lurks behind it ;)


There's s.th. seriously wrong with risk vs reward in ratting though. The ISK/h should be 0.0 Ratting >>> FW > HS Incursions.

Edit: Forgot something. If you rat all day together with your corp/allymates and then one of them warps to it and presses the button to keep all the money for himself... then maybe you should change corp. Or maybe get him kicked before he can move all his belongings out of your 0.0 staging...



no people arn't complaining about ninja dropping them, we are saying no group will use it for themselves as it is susceptible to inties. as for ninja droping them ratters would react like they do when a hostile force drops in... just dock up. once you leave they will blow it up together and go on ratting.


If you would have read my post, you would see that's exactly one of the points I covered. I marked it for your convenience.

Btw. I just checked it on SiSi. Currently the Module takes up 150m³ which makes it too big for an interceptor without cargo-mods.
Innominate
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#199 - 2014-01-14 17:45:19 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:

However if you drop one and leave, you'll be notified the moment they get in it's area. Since they are unlikely to blow it up with a few interceptors they'll have to bring something bigger... in a bubble.... to a spot you can warp to directly.


The broadcast is made in local. If you leave, you do not get any notification. They also only have battleship level hitpoints, a few interceptors are perfectly capable of blowing it up. Ten long range crows can blow one up in under five minutes. Five close range interceptors can do it in under three minutes.
Zerb Arus
WormSpaceWormS
#200 - 2014-01-14 17:46:27 UTC
ESS + MSI + disco-ship = electric fly-trap

Although I find the Idea great in principle, I personally would not bother with all the hassle for 5-10% benefit.