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Something need to be done to stop the massacre of missioning ships and minning barges in hisec

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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#281 - 2014-04-07 00:19:21 UTC
Oh well. The skillless deserve kills too I guess. If CCP is happy to pander to them while losing customers it's not my problem. CCPs problem.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#282 - 2014-04-07 00:23:25 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Oh well. The skillless deserve kills too I guess. If CCP is happy to pander to them while losing customers it's not my problem. CCPs problem.


Says the guy who proudly proclaims that he ISBoxes stealth bombers.

I rolled my eyes so hard I have a headache.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#283 - 2014-04-07 02:20:14 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Oh well. The skillless deserve kills too I guess. If CCP is happy to pander to them while losing customers it's not my problem. CCPs problem.


Says the guy who proudly proclaims that he ISBoxes stealth bombers.

I rolled my eyes so hard I have a headache.

Lmao. Try isboxing stealth bombers and tell me it's easy. Takes a lot of effort and it's expensive to learn to do. Unlike sitting in high popping ships with alpha and nothing to lose.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#284 - 2014-04-07 02:34:11 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Oh well. The skillless deserve kills too I guess. If CCP is happy to pander to them while losing customers it's not my problem. CCPs problem.


Says the guy who proudly proclaims that he ISBoxes stealth bombers.

I rolled my eyes so hard I have a headache.

Lmao. Try isboxing stealth bombers and tell me it's easy. Takes a lot of effort and it's expensive to learn to do. Unlike sitting in high popping ships with alpha and nothing to lose.


"What I do is hard and I'm awesome and what other people do is easy and they're bad."

Yep, totally believable.

Hey, how are those pocos going?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Sabriz Adoudel
Move along there is nothing here
#285 - 2014-04-07 05:44:48 UTC
I still love this thread.

The tears are an added bonus to the tasty, tasty carebear loot.

I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com

Matogg
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#286 - 2014-04-07 06:15:40 UTC
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
I still love this thread.

The tears are an added bonus to the tasty, tasty carebear loot.


Since the pro-gankers are much more vocal than the carebears you obviously refer to I'd say it sounds like a distant "CRY" that sounds something like this :

Boo-Hoo-Hoo ! Don't take my fun away ! I like being a carebear PvPer making loads of isk without having to risk much . Definately beats the other 3 areas in EvE where I'd actually have to worry about being shot just for flying around there .
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#287 - 2014-04-07 07:04:13 UTC
Matogg wrote:
Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
I still love this thread.

The tears are an added bonus to the tasty, tasty carebear loot.


Since the pro-gankers are much more vocal than the carebears you obviously refer to I'd say it sounds like a distant "CRY" that sounds something like this :

Boo-Hoo-Hoo ! Don't take my fun away ! I like being a carebear PvPer making loads of isk without having to risk much . Definately beats the other 3 areas in EvE where I'd actually have to worry about being shot just for flying around there .


The other 3 areas... that carebears won't go to either? I mean, what point are you trying to make?

That "we" go where the targets are? Duh. Especially when the targets are as soft, fattened, and as prone to slack in their own defense as you lot.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Varathius
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
#288 - 2014-04-07 09:47:42 UTC
Mojo Joo wrote:
A gang of only 12 destroyers did 1500 billions damage in few weeks:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Megamaks+T44

Look on this and notice that something looks very wrong there... also notice how much money they make from the loot they get...

This guys effectively do a genocide between people who do missions, and if CCP not change something, i bet that at this rate of killings they will gone lose a lot of subscribers.

Is very obvious that is way to easy to kill very expensive ships in very cheap ones, and moreover, with new dumb pro-piracy feature of sec status instant boost, using pirate insignias, gankers can get security status back instant, and keep going on suicide gank ships at infinitum as long is very profitable too.

They cannot be stopped in that cheap and fast ships, killrights dont have any use because of same reasons...
So guys take care and brick tank your ships, but that will not help to much as long they use enough destroyers...


Life in pixel space is a *****, ain't it?
Jarghul Nightowl
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#289 - 2014-04-07 15:13:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarghul Nightowl
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Mojo Joo wrote:
glorious tears



Welcome to EVE.

Working as intended.

If you are too stupid to notice a spike in local, or that suddenly SISTERS COMBAT SCANNER PROBES on d-scan, you deserve to lose your blingy mission boat.

I recommend you discover the joys of mining, or gas harvesting, or planetary interaction.

Of course, you better get a permit, if you plan on doing it in hisec.

TLDR

HTFU, you pansy.


Everybody watch out! We have a bad ass over here !



back to topic:

I quite agree mantaining the sec status and to please Concord is way to easy. That beeing said, High Sec Citizens have to change their attitudes towards their ships. Buying that faction ship or that marauder, naming it Betty Sue and pumping it full shiny stuff is not the final word in EvE.

It doesen't matter if it is a 2 mill Frigate or a 2 bill marauder, your attitude towards the ship should always be " Allright, I invested time and money in you, now pay me back double before you blow up."

Don't treat your ships like you treat your girlfriends and wives, treat your ships like a pimp treats his whores. They are there to make him money, not to look pretty or shiny.
general beanflicker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#290 - 2014-04-07 17:50:34 UTC
Mojo Joo wrote:
A gang of only 12 destroyers did 1500 billions damage in few weeks:

http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Megamaks+T44

Look on this and notice that something looks very wrong there... also notice how much money they make from the loot they get...

This guys effectively do a genocide between people who do missions, and if CCP not change something, i bet that at this rate of killings they will gone lose a lot of subscribers.

Is very obvious that is way to easy to kill very expensive ships in very cheap ones, and moreover, with new dumb pro-piracy feature of sec status instant boost, using pirate insignias, gankers can get security status back instant, and keep going on suicide gank ships at infinitum as long is very profitable too.

They cannot be stopped in that cheap and fast ships, killrights dont have any use because of same reasons...
So guys take care and brick tank your ships, but that will not help to much as long they use enough destroyers...



the simple answer is dont fly stoopidly expensive ships that make you a target if you fly a 2 bill ship in a l4 mish then you deserve to get it blown out from under you
Matogg
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#291 - 2014-04-08 05:18:30 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


The other 3 areas... that carebears won't go to either? I mean, what point are you trying to make?

That "we" go where the targets are? Duh. Especially when the targets are as soft, fattened, and as prone to slack in their own defense as you lot.


Believe me when I tell you that you're making my point . If you think your hi-sec targets are "soft" and "fat" and don't defend themselves then maybe they just can't , effectively ! Maybe they just don't have enough protection .

A miner sees a ship cruise into a belt . It could be anything . Even something that doesn't look dangerous like a miner or maybe a hauler but it has a passive targeter mod and unknown to the miner it makes a bookmark of the exact position of the miner . It buzzes off and suddenly the miner is beset by several catalysts that drop right in on his position to blow him up at close range .
Not something that would happen very often to an alert miner in the "other 3 areas" but is a common practice in high sec where gankers take advantage of the huge number of pilots there . If you ran from every shadow in hi-sec you wouldn't be able to mine much and thats a fact not lost on gankers .

You think there are NO carebears in in null sec ? Think again . The difference is fewer pilots and the general knowledge that anything that is NOT blue is assumed to be an enemy .

You think there's no PvP in null sec ? I'll assure you that there is . In fact PvPers are more sought after than any other profession out there since these are the people that keep the corps and alliances from being taken over by others looking for new territory .
If you mine out there or do PL or are an industrialist you ARE expected to go to any of their CTA's [call to arms] in the best ship you can fly effectively . A good PvPer is a STAR and anything else comes in 2nd best !

A PvPer in high sec is generally considered to be like the hunter who's not real good and is satisfied to shoot at chitmunks and sparrows .......rabbits if they don't bite .
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#292 - 2014-04-08 05:26:33 UTC
Matogg wrote:

Believe me when I tell you that you're making my point . If you think your hi-sec targets are "soft" and "fat" and don't defend themselves then maybe they just can't , effectively ! Maybe they just don't have enough protection .


This character is in a highsec teaching alliance, that is very new player friendly. Last year we were at war with Marmite 5 or 6 separate times, because we managed to **** off someone with deep wallets. Among other random wardecs, we probably were at war for about 9 months out of 12 last year.

I would mission in a faction battleship, with a few faction and deadspace mods. For hours at a time. That battleship has never been destroyed by war targets. Came close once to a logon trap, but the Micro Jump Drive saved the day.

So believe me when I say that it's not "can't." If you play the game even incredibly halfassed, it's almost impossible to die in highsec. So the only conclusion is that they are playing it beyond incredibly halfassed. It's not "can't" defend themselves, it's "won't". Whether that is from laziness or stupidity, or some combination of both, I have yet to discover.

The rest of your post is just you spouting off, so I ignored it. Grr, rabbit hunting, apparently. Turns out rabbit is pretty tasty, especially seasoned with tears.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#293 - 2014-04-08 06:21:38 UTC
Is that nameless NPC Corp Nothing still talking crap in this forum.

Why are you people feeding a Nothing NPC Corp alt?

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Flying Lawnmower
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#294 - 2014-04-08 06:28:06 UTC
I mission in highsec with a fairly blingy (about 1,2 bil) Tengu and guess what? I keep my eyes on d-scan set to short range, I pay attention and I'm always on guard. Thanks to the T3 being so fast and agile I was always already initiating warp by the time they actually popped up on overview. The only time I lost a T3 was a doctrine fit which I whelped because I was too lazy to d-scan for bubbles.

I suggest all those complaining join a nullsec corp for few months, that will teach you to be careful with your stuff, then come back to mission in highsec. Trust me, it'll help.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#295 - 2014-04-08 06:32:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcolm Shinhwa
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

I would mission in a faction battleship, with a few faction and deadspace mods. For hours at a time. That battleship has never been destroyed by war targets. Came close once to a logon trap, but the Micro Jump Drive saved the day.


We're always trying to get better standings to have more and more locators. We run missions all the time when targets are docked up or playing skillqueue online. I'm not baller enough to get out my Navy Raven to do it like you, but that's because along with all the other things in Eve I'm bad at, I am continually poor and would cry if it got blown up. But we'll do cruisers or battlecruisers.

So far 0 ships have been lost while we were missioning.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#296 - 2014-04-08 06:36:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

I would mission in a faction battleship, with a few faction and deadspace mods. For hours at a time. That battleship has never been destroyed by war targets. Came close once to a logon trap, but the Micro Jump Drive saved the day.


We're always trying to get better standings to have more and more locators. We run missions all the time when targets are docked up or playing skillqueue online. I'm not baller enough to get out my Navy Raven to do it like you, but that's because along with all the other things in Eve I'm bad at, I am continually poor and would cry if it got blown up. But we'll do cruisers or battlecruisers.

So far 0 ships have been lost while we were missioning.


Navy Apocalypse, actually. "Toe-May-Toe!"

You also mistook a bit of my meaning. This character's corp was the defender. I was doing this while being actively hunted.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#297 - 2014-04-08 06:49:04 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

You also mistook a bit of my meaning. This character's corp was the defender. I was doing this while being actively hunted.


Well I like to think that when at war both sides would be doing the hunting. Probably naivete on my part, but it's my first corp's fault. When we were dec'd by someone who wanted to kill one of our offline POS's, we spent the week hunting that corps members. Got my first PvP kill during that war. I target painted the guy to death.

We're at war with a larger scarier bunch of mercs* right now. I'm hunting them just like any other war target. If I ever find one separated from the pack that I think I can kill, I'll go for it.





* we're not mercs and we're not scary at all. more like cuddly tapirs.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#298 - 2014-04-08 06:58:02 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

You also mistook a bit of my meaning. This character's corp was the defender. I was doing this while being actively hunted.


Well I like to think that when at war both sides would be doing the hunting. Probably naivete on my part, but it's my first corp's fault. When we were dec'd by someone who wanted to kill one of our offline POS's, we spent the week hunting that corps members. Got my first PvP kill during that war. I target painted the guy to death.

We're at war with a larger scarier bunch of mercs* right now. I'm hunting them just like any other war target. If I ever find one separated from the pack that I think I can kill, I'll go for it.





* we're not mercs and we're not scary at all. more like cuddly tapirs.


Oh, I agree, both sides ought to be doing the hunting. But we typically just say screw it, and go into lowsec for the duration. This one war though, goodness. They kept it going for damn near 2 months.

I just got tired of it one day, since my market alt was out of stuff to sell, jumpcloned into Amarr space, and started farming LP for a Navy Auguror. That's right, I sell LP items and Ice. Which, for a suicide ganker and awoxer, is pretty hilarious if you ask me.

Oh, and I imagined your last sentence in Sigourney Weaver's voice, just so you know.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#299 - 2014-04-08 07:00:53 UTC
Jarghul Nightowl wrote:


Don't treat your ships like you treat your girlfriends and wives, treat your ships like a pimp treats his whores. They are there to make him money, not to look pretty or shiny.

Hey, if they don't look pretty they don't make money.


The real solution to this is actually better mission mechanics that don't call for totally different mentality to PvP, and that reward several pilots working in a fleet. A gang of 2 navy BS & 2 T1 Logi with T2 fittings & buffer tank will be way way harder to gank than active tanks forced by the solo centric design.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#300 - 2014-04-08 07:10:34 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Oh, and I imagined your last sentence in Sigourney Weaver's voice, just so you know.


Intended.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."