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Something need to be done to stop the massacre of missioning ships and minning barges in hisec
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Lugia3
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#201 - 2014-02-07 04:33:21 UTC
Mojo Joo wrote:
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Mojo Joo wrote:
glorious tears



Welcome to EVE.

Working as intended.

If you are too stupid to notice a spike in local, or that suddenly SISTERS COMBAT SCANNER PROBES on d-scan, you deserve to lose your blingy mission boat.

I recommend you discover the joys of mining, or gas harvesting, or planetary interaction.

Of course, you better get a permit, if you plan on doing it in hisec.

TLDR

HTFU, you pansy.


Another one who like to think about himself as being in the top of food chain... Well, you are not, will be always bigger sharks than you in the ocean Twisted
Well, you like it or not, many people stay in high sec because they play this game to relax not to compulsive push d-scan button every second like in low sec... Same thing for miners. You cannot force people to play the game in the way you want.


Bigger sharks you say? Doesn't look like you're that bigger shark, now does it.

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#202 - 2014-02-09 03:23:00 UTC
Lugia3 wrote:
Mojo Joo wrote:
Mike Adoulin wrote:
Mojo Joo wrote:
glorious tears



Welcome to EVE.

Working as intended.

If you are too stupid to notice a spike in local, or that suddenly SISTERS COMBAT SCANNER PROBES on d-scan, you deserve to lose your blingy mission boat.

I recommend you discover the joys of mining, or gas harvesting, or planetary interaction.

Of course, you better get a permit, if you plan on doing it in hisec.

TLDR

HTFU, you pansy.


Another one who like to think about himself as being in the top of food chain... Well, you are not, will be always bigger sharks than you in the ocean Twisted
Well, you like it or not, many people stay in high sec because they play this game to relax not to compulsive push d-scan button every second like in low sec... Same thing for miners. You cannot force people to play the game in the way you want.


Bigger sharks you say? Doesn't look like you're that bigger shark, now does it.
I don't care if there are larger sharks... Well, OK, I *do* care... But that only makes me cautious; Doesn't stop me from feeding on smaller fish.

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DrBmN
Lippstadt Creed
Solyaris Chtonium
#203 - 2014-02-09 08:35:28 UTC
If you jump a hi-sec gate and a ganker fleet is waiting for you on the other site there is no way you can escape if they are up to killing you.

If you log off they will bump you so dont even bother with it.
Accept it, you will die.

Fair? I don't think so
Fun? I guess...
Esha Ditrix
#204 - 2014-02-09 11:22:31 UTC
DrBmN wrote:
Fair? I don't think so...

how is it unfair ?

if you jump a gate blind in your bling ship, you deserve everything waiting for you on the other side...

if you dont whanne scout, thats fine, thats your choice, but it just might have consequences...

Its not an exploit, if the game lets you do it...
Rhanna Khurin
Doomheim
#205 - 2014-02-09 11:46:47 UTC
Mojo Joo wrote:


Look on this with a bit more attention: http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=player&name=Megamaks+T44


Oof, That Nestor KM.. *drools*
Abrei-Kaii
Petrolinvest
#206 - 2014-02-10 05:42:43 UTC
DrBmN wrote:
If you jump a hi-sec gate and a ganker fleet is waiting for you on the other site there is no way you can escape if they are up to killing you.

If you log off they will bump you so dont even bother with it.
Accept it, you will die.

Fair? I don't think so
Fun? I guess...


Hmm... I hear that having the route scouted ahead of you is against the rules or something....

If you wish to be lazy and continue to gate to gate blindly you are only playing Russian roulette with what ever you are flying. Auto-piloting a ship that moves slower then a brick with 15 billion isk worth of cargo is just asking for trouble. If your this stupid even hardened care-bears will shoot at you.

Seriously people... Stop being idiots if you don't want to get ganked. Its really not that hard...
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#207 - 2014-02-11 14:35:32 UTC
I see OP has been kicked from 2 corps since this thread started, and is now in a NPC corp...no doubt thanks to this fine community expressing their displeasure with the OP to her former CEOs in the form of war decs or threats of. What other game does crap posting in the forums have consequences in game? God, I love this game!
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#208 - 2014-02-11 14:50:16 UTC
The real problem. This isn't WOW - you actually lose stuffs. In other MMO you just collect more and more and nothing gets taken away. So the logic is that it is OK to dress your wizard in clothes worth bazillions of ducats (whatever currency wizards use - I'm an eve only gal, so not sure). In eve you can actually lose stuffs. Bazillion ducat wizard outfit - ok (no risk). 3 billions isk vargur fit - not ok (you could/will lose all that bling).

It's a simple misconception that you can play eve in WOW mode (I just picked this one - could be any of the other MMO). To be fair you can, it's just that your bling wizard gear (pith A invul) will be lost if you're not careful.

The fix is easy little wizards. Be careful (scout and blah blah blah) OR dress appropriately (T2 invul). If you want to play like a wizard then I suggest you log into a game that has them. If you want to play eve in a vargur, then learn to deal with how the game works. The game isn't broken you're just not accepting it as it is.
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#209 - 2014-02-11 14:54:00 UTC
^^^ This

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Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#210 - 2014-02-11 15:05:31 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
The real problem. This isn't WOW - you actually lose stuffs. In other MMO you just collect more and more and nothing gets taken away. So the logic is that it is OK to dress your wizard in clothes worth bazillions of ducats (whatever currency wizards use - I'm an eve only gal, so not sure). In eve you can actually lose stuffs. Bazillion ducat wizard outfit - ok (no risk). 3 billions isk vargur fit - not ok (you could/will lose all that bling).

It's a simple misconception that you can play eve in WOW mode (I just picked this one - could be any of the other MMO). To be fair you can, it's just that your bling wizard gear (pith A invul) will be lost if you're not careful.

The fix is easy little wizards. Be careful (scout and blah blah blah) OR dress appropriately (T2 invul). If you want to play like a wizard then I suggest you log into a game that has them. If you want to play eve in a vargur, then learn to deal with how the game works. The game isn't broken you're just not accepting it as it is.



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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#211 - 2014-02-11 15:19:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Serendipity Lost
Another problem is thinking you'll be happy running the same NPC missions over and over. You run them over and over and feel good about it. That's great. Then you look over on the left and you notice that a side effect is a big fat wallet. You don't have any PVP losses to drop the isk lake down to an acceptable level. So you fill your hangar w/ faction and T2 BS.

That only keeps the wallet reasonable for a little while, then it just grows out of hand again. What to spend it on?? BLING!! Of course! I'll fill my module slots with pith A and core X stuff. You really have no other choice - you'll simply drown in isk if you don't do something. Then you have this hangar full of multi-billion isk ships. No one can see them in there.... maybe just undock and run one mission. Yeah, it's not like anything bad will happen. Aaaaaaand then one day it finally does.

Here's some big picture conceptual stuff for some of you guys to ponder. Eve is a PVP game. It's not a game where you can PVP, it's a game based on PVP. PVE is great - it gets you skills and understanding of mechanics, gives you isk and gives you opportunities. Eve PVE is a means to the end - the end is PVP. There is nothing broken here. The mechanics aren't bad. It's a PVP game and if you try to make it a PVE game.... it will never quite fit right. It just won't.

That being said - it's an awesome game and PVP is awesome. I've said it in other threads. The bonds you make w/ other players in PVP are much stronger then anything that you can achieve in PVE. "Woot, we took that belt down!" is satisfying, but will never match the feeling of winning a PVP skirmish you probably should have lost. PVE you complete a script that can be found via google. PVP - you beat something based on your skill, wits - no script, no AI - you took the other players down! THAT just feels better.

If you hate PVP then you hate eve. If you hate PVP you just haven't been exposed to it properly. I've had three gank attempts (by me) recently fail. I'll bet those 3 bling pilots felt freaking awesome as they warped away amidst my shattered gank squad (2 of them survived in deep structure - WHAT A RUSH!!!). If you give in to PVP you can feel that quite often. All that being said, if any of you PVE wizards (and I'm saying that with humor, not animosity) want to try out PVP - my door is open. You can fleet up and we'll go have some fun.
Jamwara DelCalicoe Ashley
New Eden Tech Support
#212 - 2014-02-11 17:21:45 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
Another problem is thinking you'll be happy running the same NPC missions over and over. You run them over and over and feel good about it. That's great. Then you look over on the left and you notice that a side effect is a big fat wallet. You don't have any PVP losses to drop the isk lake down to an acceptable level. So you fill your hangar w/ faction and T2 BS.

That only keeps the wallet reasonable for a little while, then it just grows out of hand again. What to spend it on?? BLING!! Of course! I'll fill my module slots with pith A and core X stuff. You really have no other choice - you'll simply drown in isk if you don't do something. Then you have this hangar full of multi-billion isk ships. No one can see them in there.... maybe just undock and run one mission. Yeah, it's not like anything bad will happen. Aaaaaaand then one day it finally does.

Here's some big picture conceptual stuff for some of you guys to ponder. Eve is a PVP game. It's not a game where you can PVP, it's a game based on PVP. PVE is great - it gets you skills and understanding of mechanics, gives you isk and gives you opportunities. Eve PVE is a means to the end - the end is PVP. There is nothing broken here. The mechanics aren't bad. It's a PVP game and if you try to make it a PVE game.... it will never quite fit right. It just won't.

That being said - it's an awesome game and PVP is awesome. I've said it in other threads. The bonds you make w/ other players in PVP are much stronger then anything that you can achieve in PVE. "Woot, we took that belt down!" is satisfying, but will never match the feeling of winning a PVP skirmish you probably should have lost. PVE you complete a script that can be found via google. PVP - you beat something based on your skill, wits - no script, no AI - you took the other players down! THAT just feels better.

If you hate PVP then you hate eve. If you hate PVP you just haven't been exposed to it properly. I've had three gank attempts (by me) recently fail. I'll bet those 3 bling pilots felt freaking awesome as they warped away amidst my shattered gank squad (2 of them survived in deep structure - WHAT A RUSH!!!). If you give in to PVP you can feel that quite often. All that being said, if any of you PVE wizards (and I'm saying that with humor, not animosity) want to try out PVP - my door is open. You can fleet up and we'll go have some fun.


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Thank me later :D
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#213 - 2014-02-11 17:35:36 UTC
eve is not divided into PVP and missions.

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#214 - 2014-02-11 17:56:39 UTC
True, but this thread is about mission boats and pvp.

Related to your comment.... pineapples have pointy spines and should be handled with care.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#215 - 2014-02-11 18:05:30 UTC
DrBmN wrote:
If you jump a hi-sec gate and a ganker fleet is waiting for you on the other site there is no way you can escape if they are up to killing you.

If you log off they will bump you so dont even bother with it.
Accept it, you will die.

Fair? I don't think so
Fun? I guess...

Dude. You're doing it wrong.

I run gates all the time. A competent gate camp *is* hard to beat, true, but not impossible. And frankly, I see many camps poorly or indifferently run - I've beaten those in a n00bship. Flip of that is, even a well-run camp can be beaten. Happened often enough whilst I was running with Bombers Bar... We'd nail a lot of boats, but not all of them - the sharper folks were tough to nail down.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#216 - 2014-02-11 18:14:07 UTC
He's talking about a pimp mission BS jumping into Apanake and getting whacked. There really isn't a way to avoid that engagement. You may survive it, but you won't avoid it.

Please read the thread for comprehension.

It will keep me from picturing you with big floppy shoes and a red honk honk nose.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#217 - 2014-02-11 18:20:32 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#218 - 2014-02-11 18:24:36 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
He's talking about a pimp mission BS jumping into Apanake and getting whacked. There really isn't a way to avoid that engagement. You may survive it, but you won't avoid it.

Please read the thread for comprehension.

It will keep me from picturing you with big floppy shoes and a red honk honk nose.

People still haven't heard of travel fits I take it. Sigh. I was under the impression he was talking about freighters because they are the only ships in high sec that are truly defenseless if jumping into a gate camp.

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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#219 - 2014-02-11 19:08:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Serendipity Lost
Technically I can agree with that, but at the end of the day I don't see many folks refitting their ship twice to go 1 jump, run a mission and return. There are reasonable precautions and then there are others. Although w/ the mobile depots you do have a point. It would be pretty easy to refit. Bad news is we use nagas w/ t2 scrams to prevent mjd and the tornados have points, so you would have a total of six points on you until concord narrows us down. Depending on the guys it could be more points. Nagas get scrams and tornados get disruptors.

Putting T2 invul fields instead of pith A gear is probably the most reasonable.
Kiryen O'Bannon
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#220 - 2014-02-11 20:15:32 UTC
Serendipity Lost wrote:
He's talking about a pimp mission BS jumping into Apanake and getting whacked. There really isn't a way to avoid that engagement. You may survive it, but you won't avoid it.

Please read the thread for comprehension.

It will keep me from picturing you with big floppy shoes and a red honk honk nose.


There's a reasonable chance of surviving if you overheat your hardeners/reppers/boosters.. Unless stalking a specific target, mosr gank estimate of damage needed dont account for overheat.

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