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EVE on vanilla Wine on OSX, better than the official client (mostly)

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Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#61 - 2014-02-27 19:43:52 UTC
JP Nakamura wrote:
Will update after I get WINE up and running (fingers crossed, I may not get to it before the weekend, but that'll still beat CCP by ~4 months from what they seem to be suggesting Sad)


If COMM4NDER is right, CCP might be waiting for DX11 support to be rolled in.

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I voted in CSM X!
Darryn Lowe
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#62 - 2014-02-28 03:14:04 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
JP Nakamura wrote:
Will update after I get WINE up and running (fingers crossed, I may not get to it before the weekend, but that'll still beat CCP by ~4 months from what they seem to be suggesting Sad)


If COMM4NDER is right, CCP might be waiting for DX11 support to be rolled in.

It'll be a while. Wine is only just moving towards DX10.

Incidentally I still get flashing screen but I just change the resolution to the next in the list then say "No" to keeping the changes. Works after that.
Nachtwache Lau-Chi
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2014-03-12 16:55:38 UTC
I'm running well with a 2009 Mac Pro Quad core, doing the simple macports install shown on the first page of this thread. Looking at the Homebrew install on page 3, I'm curious. Should everyone do that command with "winetricks?"

winetricks gdiplus corefonts tahoma ie8 comctl32 dotnet40 vcrun2010

I have the flickering bug (fixed by changing the interval) and the known bug of the captains' quarters but everything else works without a hitch.
Norden Kor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2014-03-12 22:44:49 UTC
Nachtwache Lau-Chi wrote:
Should everyone do that command with "winetricks?"

winetricks gdiplus corefonts tahoma ie8 comctl32 dotnet40 vcrun2010


For best results, yes. You should install winetricks (in your case, run `sudo port install winetricks`) and then run the following winetricks command to install the other stuff EVE needs:

winetricks comctl32 corefonts dotnet40 eufonts gdiplus gdiplus_winxp ie8 msls31 physx pngfilt tahoma vcrun2010 wininet wsh56vb xmllite
Seraphina Oriana
Doomheim
#65 - 2014-03-12 23:12:02 UTC
Holy ****?!?! Is this the same ******* game?!

This is night and day between this and the old Cider client! Big smile
Darryn Lowe
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2014-03-13 23:41:29 UTC
Latest dev version of Wine seems to fix the flickering issue.
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#67 - 2014-03-14 04:45:15 UTC
I always see people speaking about the improvement of the game via wine. I run it via wine sometimes, but for me I don't see that much of a difference. Might be that I run my settings as low as the go on all three accounts. I still get 40-60 FPS on ether client. So just a little confused with the expressions from some people. But than again. Quad core i3 iMac with 512 something video card. 2012 iMac, base 21" model.

"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1

#NPCLivesMatter #Freetheboobs
Norden Kor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#68 - 2014-03-14 05:21:42 UTC
Amarisen Gream wrote:
I always see people speaking about the improvement of the game via wine. I run it via wine sometimes, but for me I don't see that much of a difference. Might be that I run my settings as low as the go on all three accounts. I still get 40-60 FPS on ether client. So just a little confused with the expressions from some people. But than again. Quad core i3 iMac with 512 something video card. 2012 iMac, base 21" model.


From reading the rest of this thread it's quite clear that each person experiences something different. Depending on the composition of one's Mac, version of OS X, number of external monitors, etc. unique setups get unique results.

In my case, however, the Mac client is practically unusable; it performs very poorly and experiences frequent freezes that put me and my fleetmates at risk. On my system, using Wine with the Windows client is the only way to have a good experience in game.
Darryn Lowe
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2014-03-14 05:30:05 UTC
For me it's a reduction in fan ramping. At lowest settings on the Mac client my machine's fans would be constantly going but using Wine they go when things get a bit full on but I'm also using the default graphics settings not the low settings.
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#70 - 2014-03-14 07:58:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarisen Gream
Yeah, each machine is always a little different. I can understand some changes between machines depending on age. Would love to compare notes with someone who has an iMac like mine. I will pull up the system profile when I get home and add them via an edit.

**updated with #s**
Wine client - CPU = 27%, Ram - 677mb
Cider client - CPU = 26%, Ram - 848mb

Only thing I hate about the windows client is the hotkeys . If I could remap them to be mac keys I would love it.

***another hing that bothers me. When looking at a corps info the E > on my client doesn't allow me the extra options of like donating to it and such. Its a real PITA! Other mac users I've talked to, don't have this problem!

No matter the numbers. The cider client is getting proven to be a very bad choice for CCP. Hope they make a change soon.

Edit: p.s. I just remembered. I am a freak with my mac for keeping things on the inside working great. Pram resets every so often. I run OnyX like monthly. I used to use mackeeper to keep all the junk down, but the 100mb of ram the helper used all the time pissed me off. So I killed that app.
Now only if I could find a program that could go through all my application support folders and compare them to my apps and delete the unneeded ones. I love a clean HDD. :)

**System Info**

iMac
Model Identifier: iMac13,1
Processor Name: Intel Core i5
Processor Speed: 2.7 GHz
Number of Processors: 1
Total Number of Cores: 4
L2 Cache (per Core): 256 KB
L3 Cache: 6 MB
Memory: 8 GB
NVIDIA GeForce GT 640M
Type: GPU
Bus: PCIe
PCIe Lane Width: x16
VRAM (Total): 512 MB

"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1

#NPCLivesMatter #Freetheboobs
Invisusira
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#71 - 2014-03-19 10:57:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Invisusira
So after experiencing firsthand the day-and-night difference between the Mac and Windows clients, I was pretty pumped to see this thread. Finally got around to installing Wine, got EVE running annnnnd... bupkis.

Nada. Nothing.

In fact, the performance is actually WORSE.

Slightly lower framerate and the game looks worse than it does with the exact same settings, Mac-side. Even the 'post-processing lens-flares clipping through models' bug is more pronounced.

Is there some sort of optimization step I'm missing? Brew doctor reports all systems nominal.

27" iMac, Mid-2011
2.7 GHz Intel i5
12 GB DDR3
AMD Radeon HD 6770m 512
OSX 10.8.5

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Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#72 - 2014-03-19 14:42:40 UTC
Invisusira wrote:
So after experiencing firsthand the day-and-night difference between the Mac and Windows clients, I was pretty pumped to see this thread. Finally got around to installing Wine, got EVE running annnnnd... bupkis.

Nada. Nothing.

In fact, the performance is actually WORSE.

Slightly lower framerate and the game looks worse than it does with the exact same settings, Mac-side. Even the 'post-processing lens-flares clipping through models' bug is more pronounced.

Is there some sort of optimization step I'm missing? Brew doctor reports all systems nominal.

27" iMac, Mid-2011
2.7 GHz Intel i5
12 GB DDR3
AMD Radeon HD 6770m 512
OSX 10.8.5



just to make sure. wine or wine-devel?

For me, there isn't really a difference between the two.

"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1

#NPCLivesMatter #Freetheboobs
Invisusira
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#73 - 2014-03-19 14:47:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Invisusira
Norden Kor wrote:

Installed wine using Homebrew with the following:

  • brew install wine --devel
  • brew install winetricks
  • winetricks gdiplus corefonts tahoma ie8 comctl32 dotnet40 vcrun2010
  • Installed standard Windows EVE Online client using regular network installer (not the offline installer)

This is what I did, almost. The only difference is that the regular installer didn't work; it downloaded everything but then wouldn't install anything. So I downloaded the offline installer, ran that, and then updated through the launcher and the game ran fine.

Good to know; I was expecting the client to run as well as it does in Windows from all the excited noises in this thread.

EVE Music
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#74 - 2014-03-19 14:56:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Amarisen Gream
Invisusira wrote:
Norden Kor wrote:

Installed wine using Homebrew with the following:

  • brew install wine --devel
  • brew install winetricks
  • winetricks gdiplus corefonts tahoma ie8 comctl32 dotnet40 vcrun2010
  • Installed standard Windows EVE Online client using regular network installer (not the offline installer)

This is what I did, almost. The only difference is that the regular installer didn't work; it downloaded everything but then wouldn't install anything. So I downloaded the offline installer, ran that, and then updated through the launcher and the game ran fine.

Good to know; I was expecting the client to run as well as it does in Windows from all the excited noises in this thread.


I think it would have been nice to get more of the hardware specs from other members here. Your machine from the age sounds like the last gen iMac with a optical drive. I have the first gen without. So the hardware is a much better than say 2010 or before*. Trying to remembers what year Apple got the i3/5/7 chips + went back to AMD GPUs.

My old iMac (2008) would probably run better via wine b/c of its age.

"The Lord loosed upon them his fierce anger All of his fury and rage. He dispatched against them a band of Avenging Angels" - The Scriptures, Book II, Apocalypse 10:1

#NPCLivesMatter #Freetheboobs
Invisusira
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#75 - 2014-03-19 15:04:02 UTC
Correct, mine is the last of the optical drive iMacs.

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Norden Kor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2014-03-21 03:02:30 UTC
The following is what I have, and Wine + Windows client is definitely better than the Mac client:


  • 27" iMac, Late 2012 - No optical drive - Model Identifier iMac13,2
  • 3.4 GHz Intel Core i7 - 1 processor, 4 cores, 256 KB L2 cache, 8 MB L3 cache
  • NVIDIA GeForce GTX 680MX 2048 MB
  • External 1280x1024 Monitor
  • External 1920x1080 Monitor
  • 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3 memory
  • OS X 10.9.2
Sheepeh
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#77 - 2014-03-21 11:16:44 UTC
Here's mine, I run the Windows client with Crossover for ease of use, but it is leagues ahead of the Cider client - a higher frame rate with more graphical options and less fan spinning.

iMac, 27 inch, Mid 2011
3.1Ghz Intel i5
32GB 1333Mhz DDR3
AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1024MB
OS X 10.9.2

It also runs a lot better on my 2013 rMBP as well, with Iris graphics.
Aedan Orlenardi
Humbly Bumbling Around
#78 - 2014-03-26 13:21:05 UTC
Hey Guys,

This seems like a really nice solution. My question is, how could I get Wine working without reinstalling the entire game. I already have the windows EVE version installed on my windows PC, but I don't think I can face doing the entire download again (for the 3rd time) at a meagre 40kbps. Is there any way I can use WINE with the program folder from my PC copied over to my mac?

Thanks,
Mike (Aedan)
Darryn Lowe
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2014-03-31 00:54:36 UTC
Sheepeh wrote:
Here's mine, I run the Windows client with Crossover for ease of use, but it is leagues ahead of the Cider client - a higher frame rate with more graphical options and less fan spinning.

iMac, 27 inch, Mid 2011
3.1Ghz Intel i5
32GB 1333Mhz DDR3
AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1024MB
OS X 10.9.2

It also runs a lot better on my 2013 rMBP as well, with Iris graphics.


How'd you get it running on CrossOver? I can never get it to work correctly hence the reason I installed Wine using HomeBrew.

My machines is an early 2011 MBP with 4GB RAM, 1TB HDD, 2GHz i7, ATI Radeon 6490M and Intel HD 3000
Darryn Lowe
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2014-03-31 01:00:25 UTC
Aedan Orlenardi wrote:
Hey Guys,

This seems like a really nice solution. My question is, how could I get Wine working without reinstalling the entire game. I already have the windows EVE version installed on my windows PC, but I don't think I can face doing the entire download again (for the 3rd time) at a meagre 40kbps. Is there any way I can use WINE with the program folder from my PC copied over to my mac?

Thanks,
Mike (Aedan)


I think from memory the files may still be in temporary internet files. I don't know what version of Windows you're running so I can't tell you exactly where that folder is.