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EVE on vanilla Wine on OSX, better than the official client (mostly)

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Pepbill
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#81 - 2014-04-03 14:56:34 UTC
Norden Kor wrote:
There is no user-friendly or quick approach to installing vanilla Wine or its dependencies on OS X. There are many places things can go wrong and a moderate amount of technical aptitude to troubleshoot and resolve problems without assistance is required.

If you are up to the challenge and want to try it anyway, here's how I have arrived at my current working installation:

  1. Install Xcode from the App Store: https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/xcode/id497799835?mt=12
  2. Open Xcode. If you are prompted to install additional required components, click Install.
  3. Install XQuartz: http://xquartz.macosforge.org/
  4. Install Homebrew: http://brew.sh/
  5. After Homebrew is installed, run the command `brew doctor`. Look over all of the potential problems and resolve them. (Note: It is highly unlikely that anyone in this forum will be able to help you with issues shown by this command, but you will need to fix them)
  6. Run the following command to install wine and its dependencies: `brew install --devel --universal wine winetricks`
  7. Run the following command to install dependencies required by EVE: `winetricks comctl32 corefonts dotnet40 eufonts gdiplus gdiplus_winxp ie8 msls31 physx pngfilt tahoma vcrun2010 wininet wsh56vb xmllite` (Note: Some of the error messages you will receive while installing the various requirements can be safely ignored.)
  8. Download the Windows EVE client network installer: http://community.eveonline.com/support/download/
  9. Run `wine /path/to/the/installer.exe` to launch the installer and begin download and installation of the game client.
  10. Run `wine ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files/CCP/EVE/eve.exe` to start the EVE launcher.


Depending on your Mac and your Internet connection, all of this will require somewhere around 1-4 hours of your time for download, compilation, and installation. If you have any questions or problems, you can try sending me an EVE Mail but be warned that most of the issues you will face will be things I can't help you with.

On the plus side, trying the above and not getting a working EVE client will do no damage to your system at all. Having Xcode and Homebrew installed are things that can be helpful down the road regardless.


I followed these instructions and all seemed to go good until I run the launcher. It seems to login, I get the char screen, then it tries to login and nada. Get a loading screen with music and then goes back to launcher.

Any ideas?
Pepbill
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2014-04-03 15:12:28 UTC
Ok it doesn't seem to like docking in stations where you have to start off in the captains quarters. FYI took me a couple starts and restarts. Now I just have to figure out how to map the Apple/Command Key!
Pepbill
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#83 - 2014-04-03 18:25:45 UTC
Seems to be working, now I have to fix all my preferences etc..


My command/apple key isn't working so I'm missing right click stuff. I don't use a mouse because this is a laptop with a trackpad. Any ideas how to enable the command key?
Darryn Lowe
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#84 - 2014-04-03 20:07:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Darryn Lowe
Pepbill wrote:
Seems to be working, now I have to fix all my preferences etc..


My command/apple key isn't working so I'm missing right click stuff. I don't use a mouse because this is a laptop with a trackpad. Any ideas how to enable the command key?

Go into System Preferences and set the secondary mouse click to whatever. I have mine set to Bottom Right. You can also set it to two finger click.

Either way you have two mouse buttons now and no longer need to press Control Click.
Sheepeh
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#85 - 2014-04-05 09:26:12 UTC
Darryn Lowe wrote:
Sheepeh wrote:
Here's mine, I run the Windows client with Crossover for ease of use, but it is leagues ahead of the Cider client - a higher frame rate with more graphical options and less fan spinning.

iMac, 27 inch, Mid 2011
3.1Ghz Intel i5
32GB 1333Mhz DDR3
AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1024MB
OS X 10.9.2

It also runs a lot better on my 2013 rMBP as well, with Iris graphics.


How'd you get it running on CrossOver? I can never get it to work correctly hence the reason I installed Wine using HomeBrew.

My machines is an early 2011 MBP with 4GB RAM, 1TB HDD, 2GHz i7, ATI Radeon 6490M and Intel HD 3000


I didn't do anything special, I just loaded Crossover, told it I wanted to install Eve Online in the list, and pointed it at the Windows .exe. It did the rest. It supports the Steam version too, but I'm just using the CCP download.

What doesn't work for you?

Quote:
MacBook Pro
Retina, 15-inch, Late 2013
Processor 2 GHz Intel Core i7
Memory 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
Graphics Intel Iris Pro 1024 MB
Software OS X 10.9.2 (13C64)


It runs perfectly for me on this laptop as well, which I would have thought meant it would run well everywhere if it runs on AMD and Intel graphics.

Pepbill
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#86 - 2014-04-05 15:41:25 UTC
Thanks for the preference tip. I'll have to get used to it but it works.


Now I'm having an issue with client crashing if I have to load a char that is in captains quarters. That's default so I basically can't dock or start when docked.

Any ideas?

If I could transfer my preferences from my mac client to my windows client that would be awesome.
Darryn Lowe
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2014-04-06 03:01:55 UTC
Pepbill wrote:
Thanks for the preference tip. I'll have to get used to it but it works.


Now I'm having an issue with client crashing if I have to load a char that is in captains quarters. That's default so I basically can't dock or start when docked.

Any ideas?

If I could transfer my preferences from my mac client to my windows client that would be awesome.

When you're on the character select screen you should be able to press escape and turn off the load station option. Apparently Wine doesn't run the Captain's Quarters for some reason.
Darryn Lowe
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#88 - 2014-04-06 03:03:42 UTC
Sheepeh wrote:
Darryn Lowe wrote:
Sheepeh wrote:
Here's mine, I run the Windows client with Crossover for ease of use, but it is leagues ahead of the Cider client - a higher frame rate with more graphical options and less fan spinning.

iMac, 27 inch, Mid 2011
3.1Ghz Intel i5
32GB 1333Mhz DDR3
AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1024MB
OS X 10.9.2

It also runs a lot better on my 2013 rMBP as well, with Iris graphics.


How'd you get it running on CrossOver? I can never get it to work correctly hence the reason I installed Wine using HomeBrew.

My machines is an early 2011 MBP with 4GB RAM, 1TB HDD, 2GHz i7, ATI Radeon 6490M and Intel HD 3000


I didn't do anything special, I just loaded Crossover, told it I wanted to install Eve Online in the list, and pointed it at the Windows .exe. It did the rest. It supports the Steam version too, but I'm just using the CCP download.

What doesn't work for you?

Quote:
MacBook Pro
Retina, 15-inch, Late 2013
Processor 2 GHz Intel Core i7
Memory 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
Graphics Intel Iris Pro 1024 MB
Software OS X 10.9.2 (13C64)


It runs perfectly for me on this laptop as well, which I would have thought meant it would run well everywhere if it runs on AMD and Intel graphics.


I get graphics glitches and slow downs. I think it's because CrossOver uses the 1.6 version of Wine not the latest developer version.
Sheepeh
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#89 - 2014-04-07 18:15:09 UTC
Darryn Lowe wrote:
Sheepeh wrote:
Darryn Lowe wrote:
Sheepeh wrote:
Here's mine, I run the Windows client with Crossover for ease of use, but it is leagues ahead of the Cider client - a higher frame rate with more graphical options and less fan spinning.

iMac, 27 inch, Mid 2011
3.1Ghz Intel i5
32GB 1333Mhz DDR3
AMD Radeon HD 6970M 1024MB
OS X 10.9.2

It also runs a lot better on my 2013 rMBP as well, with Iris graphics.


How'd you get it running on CrossOver? I can never get it to work correctly hence the reason I installed Wine using HomeBrew.

My machines is an early 2011 MBP with 4GB RAM, 1TB HDD, 2GHz i7, ATI Radeon 6490M and Intel HD 3000


I didn't do anything special, I just loaded Crossover, told it I wanted to install Eve Online in the list, and pointed it at the Windows .exe. It did the rest. It supports the Steam version too, but I'm just using the CCP download.

What doesn't work for you?

Quote:
MacBook Pro
Retina, 15-inch, Late 2013
Processor 2 GHz Intel Core i7
Memory 8 GB 1600 MHz DDR3
Graphics Intel Iris Pro 1024 MB
Software OS X 10.9.2 (13C64)


It runs perfectly for me on this laptop as well, which I would have thought meant it would run well everywhere if it runs on AMD and Intel graphics.


I get graphics glitches and slow downs. I think it's because CrossOver uses the 1.6 version of Wine not the latest developer version.


It's possible, though it does work for me. It even allows me to have it own another desktop and use native swipes to change between Eve and Safari.

Still, use what works for you, eh?
Seraphina Oriana
Doomheim
#90 - 2014-04-07 21:02:52 UTC
Sheepeh wrote:
It's possible, though it does work for me. It even allows me to have it own another desktop and use native swipes to change between Eve and Safari.

Still, use what works for you, eh?


I can do that with Wine. Four finger swipe up, then drag it onto a new desktop. Best feature of the wine part!!

I'm on the Late 2011 iMac, 3.4Ghz i7, 16Gb RAM, AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2048 MB, on 10.9.2
Pepbill
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2014-04-23 20:28:21 UTC
I just wanted to say it's working superbly. I've retrained myself to use 2 fingers to click to get the right click action. I can open multiple characters without closing the client, I can tab in and out of various characters. Overall 3 thumbs up!

The only issue I have now and it's a first world issue is I can't station spin! I find myself inadvertently trying to spin my ship at random times. If anyone had same issue and figured it out I'd appreciate.


Keirym Thara
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#92 - 2014-04-28 21:22:39 UTC
If you have followed the instructions to disable Station Environment, then the background pic of your ship in the station is a static image. There is no spinning anymore. Roll
Darryn Lowe
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#93 - 2014-05-03 01:05:00 UTC
I might have missed it but can anyone tell me how to run the test server using Wine?
Sophos Mileghere
Ars Goetia Corporation
#94 - 2014-05-09 21:19:38 UTC
I read this with interest as I have had the same problems on iMac - laggy response and over heating so Bootcamped Windows and tested the Windows version which ran much nicer. Frame rate was similar but the graphics were better and no lag at all - better bloom effects and dynamic lighting.

Then installed wine and ran it on Mac OSX to get Windows performance and better graphics which is awesome, no problems at all.

Really hard to believe that with the popularity of Macs and in 2014, we have to either dual boot OS or port ourselves on a paid game. I hope CCP are taking note and will also take some action, not good for end users to have to do this.

Kudos for this thread!
Ralph Izzi
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2014-05-11 03:07:56 UTC
The only problem i'm having is with smoothmouse. It's a must-have for me, since i can't stand the osx mouse acceleration. When smoothmouse is on, i get a "jittery" effect when clicking and dragging in space to rotate my view. The effect goes away when i turn smooth mouse off. I'm talking about this one ... http://smoothmouse.com/

I setup wine and eve using the homebrew method and so far am very pleased it actually works.

I still have to play for a while, to make sure it doesn't freeze or anything. I definitely had issues with the captains quarters thing, so i turned it off just long enough so i can see my hanger. Spinning in a hanger is fine though, no crashes.
Ralph Izzi
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2014-06-11 22:54:16 UTC
Just an update...

There must have been a patch not too long ago that seems to have fixed the random freezing with the normal eve OSX client.

Soon after, there was another amazing patch that allows me to play in windowed mode in resolutions that "fill" my entire screen. This, i REALLY wanted and was happy to get.

I'm really happy with the latest cider/OSX client. No freezing, great resolutions.

I play with minimal settings, except for maximum textures, if that helps. I won't be using the WINE version anymore. I still wasn't able to find out how to make it play nicely with smooth mouse, which was a killer for me.
Norden Kor
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2014-06-13 04:45:29 UTC
Checking in, and I am having the same experience as Ralph Izzi. CCP have done a spectacular job making the official Mac client work great. I've had one or two random freezes, but I'd say no more than what a Windows user might experience on his/her own native client. I've also been able to crank up the graphics quality significantly and still get great performance even in fleet work. I've switched over to using the standard client 100% of the time since Kronos was released.

Great job, CCP. It makes me happy to know that we Mac folk are not being left out in the cold. At least, not until someone awoxes me in game.
Seras Victoria Egivand
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#98 - 2014-06-14 04:12:41 UTC
Curious i just wound up getting a MBPr
Specs 2.5ghz i5 quad core
4gb ddr 3 memory 1600 mhz
intel iris pro
120 gb pci - e hdd

Just wondering if anyone has played on a mac book with these specs and wondering what the experience is like? Im no stranger to having to use wine to play Eve Been doing it on my linux box for years.... Thanks in advance..
Rezan Tepet
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#99 - 2014-07-27 18:11:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Rezan Tepet
I'm a new player, came into the fold with the recent Steam midweek madness. Found a great starter corp within the first couple of days and have thoroughly enjoyed my experience between crashes. I'm hoping against hope that this will allow me to continue playing.

I have very little Terminal experience, but standard OSX client has made the game virtually unplayable. I've played around enough with command lines to know how to be dangerous and follow directions.

So we're going to give this a go. Wish me luck!

EDIT for Question 1: Since I got the game through Steam, this raises an interesting concern: can I run EVE on Wine through the Launcher accessed by Steam if Steam itself is still opened via normal Mac operation? Will I need to run Steam from now on through Wine? Or is it a matter of simply changing how I access the launcher and from there signing in with the Steam account info? Or is this all a non-concern and I should carry on as normal?

--If the easiest/only solution is to start an account from EVE proper, that shouldn't be too big of an issue for me. Fortunately, this account is less than a week old. Yeah, it would suck having to go back to start, but all things considered, in the grand scope of things, it wouldn't be a too terrible a loss to bear. Now, if this was a year old account...that would be a different story.

EDIT for update:

So, here's how it's going so far:

As I feared, there's no (known) way as of yet to run EVE on wine and access a Steam account. But, like I said, I'm fine with starting over again, save for the rage of flying an Ibis while I wait for some really basic skills to cook all over again. At least this time I went the smart way and only rolled a trial account to make sure that I could get everything stabilized.

However, I'm still getting a crash about once every half hour. It hasn't happened enough to let me pin it down as repeatable (yes, I'm aware of the captain's quarters bug); so far it just seems to happen "in space." Happened once in the middle of combat and once immediately leaving warp. May have something to do with locking on, but I cannot verify this yet; even if I could, though, I'm of a technical stupidity that, while I can copy and paste and follow directions great, I don't know where to go to troubleshoot the issue.

Here's some stats to gnaw on. Maybe they'll help?

MacBook Pro 13-inch Mid-2010

Processor 2.4 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
Memory 4 GB 1067 MHz DDR3
Graphics NVIDIA GeForce 320M 256 MB
Software OS X 10.9.4

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Cpt Taffy
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#100 - 2014-08-07 16:57:29 UTC
How do i.. import overview settings and fittings? where is the Eve folder located