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The 122 kills you have racked up the last 10 days suggests that this is a complete lie.

I don't think it's self centred to point out that plex farmers are abusing the spirit of FW, which is to join a permanent war dec so you can gain easy access to PvP. The vast majority have no interest in PvP they are just exploiting a flawed mechanic Imo.

Guilty as charged

To be completely honest I had no interest in piracy or low sec, and I certainly wasn't bothered about role playing for a make believe militia, I just wanted to earn a bunch of isk so I could buy a blingy navy issue battleship and then never leave high sec again. I don't think that's unusual for noobs, high sec "wars" and squabbling over veldspar belts seems to be the height of pvp, nulsec powerblocs are out of reach and low sec just looks like chaos, a place where all the trolls go to make each other miserable.

I used stabs to stay alive because I was losing far more ISK than I was making, I had to go back mining and selling plex to pay for new frigates at first because I was losing 100% of my fights. But once you've been exposed to low sec, and you get involved in the fw politics, you come to respect those who pvp all day long and seem so invincible they must have hacked the game. I got fed up with constantly running away and started trying to fight, but with low skills, rubbish fits and little help it isn't easy. I don't think all or even most of the plex farmers are alts, a lot of us are genuine noobs trying to get enough ISK to pay for new ships because pvp is an expensive habit in low sec. I can live without stabs now, but I wouldn't want to see that door closed on other new pilots because it will just put FW out of reach for a lot of new players, and I think FW is one of the best and most rewarding mechanics in the game.

What you are doing is saying that you want the game changed so that it is easier for you. The equipment is already there to do what you need to do strategically. Drive the enemy out of the plex then run the timer down. But you want it changed so that you don't have to do the boring bit of running down the timer (which the ebil farmers are willing to do, btw). You want to add to the boring stuff your opponents have to do and remove the boring stuff that you have to do. That does not seem like a balanced suggestion for changing the mechanics but, rather, a self-centred attempt to make your life easier at the expense of others.

FW plex farming is great!

I made bucket loads of isk via LP on this 500,000 skill point alt and only times i lost a frig was once to insta-locking Thrahers on a gate and once when my computer froze up whilst in a plex. I've stolen LP off 'legitimate' plex runners by warping in their plex with seconds to go on the button and funded activities on my main that would have taken him months to finance in other ways even though he has around 30 mill skill points.

I can't argue with people's complaints about the current set up but I'll continue to ride the gravy train as and when I need to until they make it that this low skilled alt can't farm billions of isk worth of LP :).

lol

17 T1 non-faction frigs in the last four days and 24 other ships. Even if every single one of those T1s is an evil farmer, that's still only 41%. And actually, looking at their fits, only 1 (!) has a triple wcs setup while quite a few are clearly standard PvP fit T1 frigs with no stabs at all.

Lies, all lies.

Edit - The vast majority of those T1 non-faction frigs, even the ones with stabs, are fit for combat (faction ammo and normal fittings). Have you (Deryn) considered that the reason T1 frigs run from you is because you normally approach them in vastly superior ships?

TBH mate from what you type you are not part of the problem. I agree that newbies in FW need to be able to earn decent isk but would it not be just as easy for newbro's to run missions that don't affect system occupancy? My main gripe is that I and fellow corpies have to continually d-plex our system otherwise we get locked out and lose access to our ships. Now if doing this involved PvP, like when one of the major Caldari groups launches a concerted offensive it's the most fun I have in game because we have continual fights. However when it consists of orbiting a button for 20 minutes because a 3 day old alt is cloaked up in the plex waiting for you to leave it's dull, disheartening and completely opposite to the intentions of FW.

No, definitely the most guys in FW you come by for a fight are cloaked and stabbed, they are not on the killboard because they run, it's well known that pure farming low level SP characters is wrong in FW, no need to defend it, it was made for war.

Yesterday come by two caldari militia pilots in a plex, breacher and condor, I am in a condor.. I decide to jump in anyway because hey I am looking for a fight and I guess its only a small chance they will stay, of course they cloaked.

I laugh at everyone who is arguing against it, you obviously make all your main ISK by playing a cloaked stabbed FW alt IMO it's worse than mining.

I actually hate farmers no matter which side they are on, i have to travel further to find empty plex just to afford my next ship.




When looking for a fight I'm mainly flying something like a breacher or firetail, neither of which are that scary ships, still many of even PVP fit war targets run away

It isnt that rare to see 3-4 War targets in a plex, when i decide to suicide my solo breacher there, they all either cloak up or warp away.