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Suicide Ganking: coming to an end?

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#861 - 2011-11-09 23:11:48 UTC
Russell Casey wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
First off, my corp/alliance lives in null sec, and has for as long as I've played EvE. Additionally, we have a strict ROE that prohibits Hi-sec ganking,

I will never understand why people join corps and alliances that tell tell them how to play the game.


Easier than figuring it out and picking a playstyle for themselves I suppose.


You maintain an image to attract more people to your corp or alliance that you will most probably like.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#862 - 2011-11-10 00:10:34 UTC
Richard Aiel wrote:
Andski wrote:
Tanya Powers wrote:

The normal progression should always be, high sec, low sec, null sec.


It's not and never was, but keep thinking that.


Hate to agree with a Goon but there IS NO progression in this game, and nor should there be IF the game is the sandbox ppl pretend it is.


To expand on that, my alliance recruits straight-up newbies on trial accounts from out-of-game communities like Something Awful, gets them out to nullsec, hands them skillbooks, implants, ISK and an endless amount of free frigates, and over time we turn them into jaded bittervets. This "linear progression" is nonsense - I've seen people with their original 2003 characters who still run missions in high-sec all day.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#863 - 2011-11-10 00:17:13 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
First off, my corp/alliance lives in null sec, and has for as long as I've played EvE. Additionally, we have a strict ROE that prohibits Hi-sec ganking,

I will never understand why people join corps and alliances that tell tell them how to play the game.


So ppl DO mine in Goons?

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
K Suri
Doomheim
#864 - 2011-11-10 00:36:50 UTC
Andski wrote:
To expand on that, my alliance recruits straight-up newbies on trial accounts from out-of-game communities like Something Awful, gets them out to nullsec, hands them skillbooks, implants, ISK and an endless amount of free frigates, and over time we turn them into jaded bittervets.

No recruting in GD Goon!!

Besides you don't want to help them. You want them to help you. It's a numbers game ain't it?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#865 - 2011-11-10 00:56:38 UTC
Is the ganking over yet? I want to undock this Wreathe full of PLEX over here in Jita 4-4. P


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Richard Hammond II
Doomheim
#866 - 2011-11-10 00:59:08 UTC
K Suri wrote:
Andski wrote:
To expand on that, my alliance recruits straight-up newbies on trial accounts from out-of-game communities like Something Awful, gets them out to nullsec, hands them skillbooks, implants, ISK and an endless amount of free frigates, and over time we turn them into jaded bittervets.

No recruting in GD Goon!!

Besides you don't want to help them. You want them to help you. It's a numbers game ain't it?


They dont recruit from EVE see
They recruit only targets from EVE. If this wasnt just the oficial channels, theyd be in trouble but as it is lol

Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you.
Michael Holmes Holmes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#867 - 2011-11-10 01:12:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Michael Holmes Holmes
This is amazing, I can't believe this thread is still alive.

So I just spent the better part of the day mining in high-sec, I loaded up a Scythe with some mining lasers and standard missle launchers (for the rats) and went to town mining in 0-7 space. I was never ganked or harassed and I even was able to feel some teamwork as I helped some unarmed miners deal with rats that came into my weapon range.

I never left the keyboard for more than a few minutes or assumed safety (I had no tank so I could haul more).

Yet I feel that according to this thread, I am somehow the death of EVE online, I apparently play the game wrong.

Look, I know the Gankers and griefers (yes you grief, don't even lie about it!) don't like the double profit they have enjoyed for so long get nerfed but I think you need to take a lesson from your own book and deal with it, adapt or else you are no better than the "high-sec carebears" that you have nurtured such a raw hatred for.

I have said it in this thread before and I will say it again, When you commit a INGAME CRIME and then get blown up by the INGAME POLICE you probably will not get rewarded by your INGAME insurance company. This is not about comparing real life insurance to EVE, this is about a obvious flaw in the mechanics of the game that was fixed after being exploited for far to long, so long in fact that everyone seems to think that it was the original intent, the dev team has spoken about this on this very thread and left nothing to the imagination.

I know that all the gankers will hide continue to hide behind the "EVE is supposed to be harsh" statement we hear over and over again, but you have to admit, complaining about losing a pretty small payout from insurance when you know that you can get rewarded in many other ways (the goons will pay you, they pay just about anyone to gank.) so please stop saying that this makes things "unfair" because EVE is not about things being fair.

Do you think that the retriever pilot you just vaporized thinks your ganking is fair? Do you think that he does not often wonder why CCP does not bulk up the retriever so it can stand a chance to escape a well planned gank?

The real issue in this thread has gotten very murky but it seems that some players think that high sec should just be a buffet for suicide gankers, they think that no area of EVE should be safe because you "should know how to fit a ship" and if you don't you get ganked. I have never been ganked and I try to take steps to prevent one if I can but I know that I am still a new player and don't have many of the skills needed to fit T2 gear nor the knowledge I need to fit every ship in the game perfectly to only prevent ganking and nothing else.

That is what you want, right? for us to only fit ships so they can repel your attacks and anything else is just wrong and not only can invite a gank but MUST invite one?

I fit ships to serve the task but since I am a new player, does that mean that I MUST get ganked?

I don't get it, you whine and complain when you lose a insurance payout that was clearly and addressed by CCP as a flaw in the game and blame it on "carebear" outcry to the devs. All the while, most of the "carebears" in this thread have told you that ganking is part of the game and that they understand it, they are only concerned about the way this will affect new players who "don't get EVE" as well as you do.

in short, Gankers, you are not CCP devs and don't know the real intent of everything in the game so don't assume that removing payouts for ganking was just some effort to please the "carebears". also, you are not the fun police in the game, just because you think the party is in null and only in PvP.

I really do like shooting rocks with lasers and building things.

but again, I am the death of EVE because I am a "carebear".
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#868 - 2011-11-10 01:17:28 UTC
Richard Hammond II wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
First off, my corp/alliance lives in null sec, and has for as long as I've played EvE. Additionally, we have a strict ROE that prohibits Hi-sec ganking,

I will never understand why people join corps and alliances that tell tell them how to play the game.


So ppl DO mine in Goons?

Not that I know of but there's no rule against it. That would be silly.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#869 - 2011-11-10 01:18:23 UTC
K Suri wrote:
Andski wrote:
To expand on that, my alliance recruits straight-up newbies on trial accounts from out-of-game communities like Something Awful, gets them out to nullsec, hands them skillbooks, implants, ISK and an endless amount of free frigates, and over time we turn them into jaded bittervets.

No recruting in GD Goon!!

Besides you don't want to help them. You want them to help you. It's a numbers game ain't it?

Haha you have no idea how good we are to our newbees.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#870 - 2011-11-10 01:34:17 UTC
mmmm tears
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#871 - 2011-11-10 01:53:07 UTC
Michael Holmes Holmes wrote:
Bunch of tripe


Wow. Way to misconstrue absolutely everything that has been said in this thread by people whose opinion differs from yours. Tunnel vision is a heck of a thing, huh?

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#872 - 2011-11-10 01:56:58 UTC
Michael Holmes Holmes wrote:
Look, I know the Gankers and griefers (yes you grief, don't even lie about it!)

I don't know why I have to keep saying this but griefing is against the ToS and if you see somebody doing it in-game they should be reported.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Michael Holmes Holmes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#873 - 2011-11-10 02:12:39 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Michael Holmes Holmes wrote:
Look, I know the Gankers and griefers (yes you grief, don't even lie about it!)

I don't know why I have to keep saying this but griefing is against the ToS and if you see somebody doing it in-game they should be reported.



you may not grief but you cannot deny that some indeed do. I was not pointing fingers at you.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#874 - 2011-11-10 02:16:35 UTC
Michael Holmes Holmes wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Michael Holmes Holmes wrote:
Look, I know the Gankers and griefers (yes you grief, don't even lie about it!)

I don't know why I have to keep saying this but griefing is against the ToS and if you see somebody doing it in-game they should be reported.



you may not grief but you cannot deny that some indeed do. I was not pointing fingers at you.

But we're not talking about that in this thread since ganking is not griefing.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
K Suri
Doomheim
#875 - 2011-11-10 02:24:53 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
K Suri wrote:
Andski wrote:
To expand on that, my alliance recruits straight-up newbies on trial accounts from out-of-game communities like Something Awful, gets them out to nullsec, hands them skillbooks, implants, ISK and an endless amount of free frigates, and over time we turn them into jaded bittervets.

No recruting in GD Goon!!

Besides you don't want to help them. You want them to help you. It's a numbers game ain't it?

Haha you have no idea how good we are to our newbees.

You sure?
Michael Holmes Holmes
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#876 - 2011-11-10 02:29:05 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Michael Holmes Holmes wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Michael Holmes Holmes wrote:
Look, I know the Gankers and griefers (yes you grief, don't even lie about it!)

I don't know why I have to keep saying this but griefing is against the ToS and if you see somebody doing it in-game they should be reported.



you may not grief but you cannot deny that some indeed do. I was not pointing fingers at you.

But we're not talking about that in this thread since ganking is not griefing.



Okay, and nor was that the central part of my post.

I just wanted to illuminate the fact that while you and some others will say that griefing is against the TOS and therefore not a issue, the fact that it is said OVER AND OVER that EVE is a den for griefers and that is made worse when new players have a hard time figuring out what is griefing and what is "normal gameplay".

What I think is interesting is that while the Goonswarm takes it apon themselves to "Fix EVE" and to "educate" players as to the true intent of the game, they seem to never take a stand (with all your mighty power and a fleet of "honorable space pilots") to curb players from behavior that is clearly against the TOS.

and lets be honest, the line between griefing and ganking can get pretty shady with some players.


but again, that was not the main intent or point of the post and your fixation on the subject when it is brought up makes me wonder if you are as quick to enforce it ingame as you are in the forums.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#877 - 2011-11-10 09:03:48 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

On the flip side, the insurance changes move the costs of a hulk-ganking brutix roughly from 6-10m to 25-30m. The truth is, hulk pilots not only represent the more advance players that should NOT need to be coddled, but they ALREADY HAVE OPTIONS to avoid their losses. Unlike a procurer pilot that can't really tank their ship, a hulk pilot can easily fit a mod strip miner II hulk or an ice harvester II hulk with 29k EHP (and thats without faction mods, gang bonuses, implants, logistics help, etc). This is more than enough buffer to survive a single brutix attack.

problem is: goons don't need to have brain or understand insurance system. They are paid by their owners so they can use as many brutixes as they want to kill 1(!!!) hulk.

Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Essentially, this change is helping the wrong portion of miner society.

If you shitfit your ship for missions, it gets blown up. Contrarily, if you fit it appropriately, you'll be able to survive.
If you shitfit your hulk while mining, let it get blown up too, and if the fit it appropriately, they don't have much to worry about!

you are wrong here. I used to use mixed-gun and mixed-tank fittings for quite some time to run missions before i got understanding about fitting ideology. And i never lost ship in missions that time.

and again: your opinions based on idea that suicide gankers do kill for profit. While they ALWAYS say: "we do it for lulz". So whole cry and whine about insurance is missed its point. Unless these crybabies can't afford lulz.... Cool

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Delirious Grib
Solaroids
#878 - 2011-11-10 09:34:33 UTC
Sounds like a good policy!
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#879 - 2011-11-10 09:39:50 UTC
Michael Holmes Holmes wrote:
What I think is interesting is that while the Goonswarm takes it apon themselves to "Fix EVE" and to "educate" players as to the true intent of the game, they seem to never take a stand (with all your mighty power and a fleet of "honorable space pilots") to curb players from behavior that is clearly against the TOS.

This is absolutely not true. If players are breaking the ToS they should suffer the consequences.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Mnengli Noiliffe
Doomheim
#880 - 2011-11-10 09:55:53 UTC
if they didn't do this, with the new BC suicide ganking would become almost free... I'm glad they still have some of the common sense left.