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Suicide Ganking: coming to an end?

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#701 - 2011-11-09 01:39:58 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
then a lot of "pvpers" will have no reason to maintain their subscriptions


PvP = Player vis Player

This includes by defenition, that BOTH partys interact with each other.

Ganging in EvE has just one acting side: the Ganger
The targets can do nothink (equal how many LIES you try to post here) to defend their goods ... (well, they can stay docked but WTF should they pay for this gamen then? -> NO OPTION!).

This leads to the result: Ganging is NO PvP !
It's less then PvE as even E(nviorment) can interact and shot back more often then not. Gang victims NEVER have either enough time (instand blob bullshit) or there aren't any tools (anti cargo-scanner?? posibilitys to counter with enough tank, ECM, rep (FAIL slot/cpu/grid layouts) CCP?? FIX THIS!!!!!!!!!).

So no, a total block with "you can't attack other players in highsec" will NOT effect PvP players! In no way!

PvP players will stay in low/toilet secure space or use the util of Wardecs for their Player vis Player sandbox.

And if some useless Ganger leave? WHO CARES!

That made me lol. You're very good at this.

I do wonder, though, whether fitting buffers, not autopiloting, not carrying enough stuff to render yourself a good gank target, using the directional scanner and scouts, are all tools that can be used to mitigate ganking.

I guess you should ask someone else, since I'm a "useless Ganger" and therefore my opinion doesn't matter.

10/10 by the way.

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#702 - 2011-11-09 01:41:44 UTC
Jerek Mothas wrote:
While I agree to some extent (not being much of a PvPer myself) that griefing is a part of the game and should not be completely removed,

Griefing is against the ToS and should absolutely be removed from the game. We are talking about suicide ganking in this thread, however, not griefing.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Jerek Mothas
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#703 - 2011-11-09 01:42:17 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Jerek Mothas wrote:
While I agree to some extent (not being much of a PvPer myself) that griefing is a part of the game and should not be completely removed,

Griefing is against the ToS and should absolutely be removed from the game. We are talking about suicide ganking in this thread, however, not griefing.


That is what I mean. Apologies. Editing now.

Failfitting ships since 2007.

"Those who control their tongue will have a long life; opening your mouth can ruin everything." - Solomon
Lens Thirring
#704 - 2011-11-09 01:42:22 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:

PvP players will stay in low/toilet secure space or use the util of Wardecs for their Player vis Player sandbox.

Where is this low/toilet space of which you speak? I feel a sudden urge to visit there.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#705 - 2011-11-09 01:49:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Wacktopia
Tippia wrote:
Sadayiel wrote:
I think there is a difference with PvP and Grief/Punish other players weak tanked ships in *relatively* safe space
Yes. There's a difference. Griefers get banned.

People who punish other players for not fitting their ships properly or for being drunk at the wheel should be rewarded. Twisted


Just to confirm in general; suicide ganking (falling under non-consensual combat) is not in itself considered grief [1].

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K Suri
Doomheim
#706 - 2011-11-09 02:11:32 UTC
Wacktopia wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Sadayiel wrote:
I think there is a difference with PvP and Grief/Punish other players weak tanked ships in *relatively* safe space
Yes. There's a difference. Griefers get banned.

People who punish other players for not fitting their ships properly or for being drunk at the wheel should be rewarded. Twisted


Just to confirm in general; suicide ganking (falling under non-consensual combat) is not in itself considered grief [1].

Yet.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#707 - 2011-11-09 02:15:04 UTC
K Suri wrote:
Wacktopia wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Sadayiel wrote:
I think there is a difference with PvP and Grief/Punish other players weak tanked ships in *relatively* safe space
Yes. There's a difference. Griefers get banned.

People who punish other players for not fitting their ships properly or for being drunk at the wheel should be rewarded. Twisted


Just to confirm in general; suicide ganking (falling under non-consensual combat) is not in itself considered grief [1].

Yet.

Is that your goal?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#708 - 2011-11-09 02:25:10 UTC

1) Is it just me, or is it kind of pathetic that the only time I ever see carebears poasting, trying to claim 'tears' is when CCP changes the rules on their behalf?

2) Also, u sad sad specimens shouldn't be wasting your time in here trolling Tippia.
You should be over in the Tier 3 BC balance thread, whining your hardest to get the Tornado nerfed before release.

Cause if it is released in any form resembling the current one, we win - even without insurance.

The tears will flow freely when Tornados blot out the skies in the post-insurance world. The Miner-whiners and Tengu pilots will blister the forums when they realize ganking is just as affordable (and even more convenient) in the new Tier 3 BC package.

I look forward to those days....Twisted
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#709 - 2011-11-09 02:25:25 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:

This has to be a troll. If it's not it's literally the dumbest thing I've read on these forums.

ROFL.

No content in this answare, just fail flame attamp.

Show me where ganging is Player vis Player where BOTH sides active contribute to the fight.

As long as you can't show, that BOTH sides are active ... ganging is NO PvP!

Is is PvI at best (Player vis Items).

And as long as it's imposible for one side to effective counter ganging WITHOUT meta gaming or 2 3 100 alt-accounts (yea, I know, CCP is a company and loves to earn money from alt-acc) the balance is 100% broken!

Balance? You know balance?
Hell yes you know it ... forum whine about "XY weapon system is OP FIX IT NOW!!!!111" ... we all know them.
But hey, we talk about GANGING Miners, they aren't first class people like you PvI guys right? They do not deserve to be able to do propper fittings to defend their hard earned stuff right?

You can call me "troll" as often as you like (you == asotial gangers). I know, you are awar, that I tell the trueth and fear CCP might see it too! And with this ... your "troll" is just another "you are right man, but shut up so CCP don't see it. I don't want to lose my e-peen".

I stay with it: ganging is NO PvP!
And too with: balance is ******* broken as long as there are no ingame counter biside of 100 scout alt accs!

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#710 - 2011-11-09 02:27:29 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
No content in this answare, just fail flame attamp.

Show me where ganging is Player vis Player where BOTH sides active contribute to the fight.

As long as you can't show, that BOTH sides are active ... ganging is NO PvP

First of all the term is 'ganking'. Ganging sounds like some sort of sex party.

Secondly, who is flying the exhumer that I'm blowing up? Is it not another player?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#711 - 2011-11-09 02:34:30 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
No content in this answare, just fail flame attamp.

Show me where ganging is Player vis Player where BOTH sides active contribute to the fight.

As long as you can't show, that BOTH sides are active ... ganging is NO PvP

First of all the term is 'ganking'. Ganging sounds like some sort of sex party.

Secondly, who is flying the exhumer that I'm blowing up? Is it not another player?



LOL. Look at that guys picture.

He is definitely 'into' ganging.
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#712 - 2011-11-09 02:39:15 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
I do wonder, though, whether fitting buffers, not autopiloting, not carrying enough stuff to render yourself a good gank target, using the directional scanner and scouts, are all tools that can be used to mitigate ganking.


"not autopilot" == LIE ... you know tagets get ganged BEHIND the gates when they have to aline 10++++ seconds -> autopilot will NEVER be the factor!
And using friendly Webber is concidert "game abuse" ... creat work CCP. Firendly actions are ban reasons, asotial behavior isn't. GREAT WORK!

"fitting buffers" == MUHAHAHA, provide this buffer you fit on mining/hauler ship USEING T2 ONLY!
Not able too? ---> another PROVE of FAIL balance!

"not carrying enough" == hell, did you even read some posts in this forum? I don't need to check half the topics to find one where the writer admits, he don't care about value but just do it for LULZ.
Or check "Hulkedon" or however this **** is called. They DO NOT CARE about value ... they just want to **** other player!
Or the last "Ice-miner-geddon" ... this is NOT for the loot ... it's just to **** off player!
(Infact ALL this should be a reason for PERMA BANS @CCP as they are 100% abuse of your FAIL BALANCE!)


"directional scanner" == I warp to 0 NOT autopiloting, jump throught the gate and .. BAM ... 10 sec to alligne warp or 5 mins to slowboat back to gate ... in boths options I am dead UNABLE to defend my stuff -> FAIL BALANCE + MISSING anti-gang tools (anti-cargo-scanner, anti-lock-item, not enough CPU/GRID/SLOTS to fit needed buffer ... fail, fail and more FAIL by designe!)

"scouts" == yes, I know the "we want your money, use 2., 3., 10. acc to protect your stuff as we fail in balance"

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#713 - 2011-11-09 02:42:12 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
No content in this answare, just fail flame attamp.

Show me where ganging is Player vis Player where BOTH sides active contribute to the fight.

As long as you can't show, that BOTH sides are active ... ganging is NO PvP

First of all the term is 'ganking'. Ganging sounds like some sort of sex party.

Secondly, who is flying the exhumer that I'm blowing up? Is it not another player?


And which ACTIVE action can your target do?

As long as he can't ACTIVE do somethink ... there is no "vis"/"against" ... it is just 1 side against item
GanKer V Item

The second Player is missing as it doesn't matter if there is somethink in this ship or not.

-> NO PvP
-> JUST PvI

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#714 - 2011-11-09 02:44:25 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
No content in this answare, just fail flame attamp.

Show me where ganging is Player vis Player where BOTH sides active contribute to the fight.

As long as you can't show, that BOTH sides are active ... ganging is NO PvP

First of all the term is 'ganking'. Ganging sounds like some sort of sex party.

Secondly, who is flying the exhumer that I'm blowing up? Is it not another player?


And which ACTIVE action can your target do?

As long as he can't ACTIVE do somethink ... there is no "vis"/"against" ... it is just 1 side against item
GanKer V Item

The second Player is missing as it doesn't matter if there is somethink in this ship or not.

-> NO PvP
-> JUST PvI

You didn't answer my question. Who is flying the exhumer if it's not another player?

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#715 - 2011-11-09 02:46:38 UTC
I just wanted to say that I've been autopiloting to and from Jita for four hours, with a hold full of giant secure containers, while listening to the Tron: Legacy soundtrack at full blast. I have not been ganked once.

Peacefully cruising The Grid

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#716 - 2011-11-09 02:48:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
No content in this answare, just fail flame attamp.

Show me where ganging is Player vis Player where BOTH sides active contribute to the fight.

As long as you can't show, that BOTH sides are active ... ganging is NO PvP

First of all the term is 'ganking'. Ganging sounds like some sort of sex party.

Secondly, who is flying the exhumer that I'm blowing up? Is it not another player?


And which ACTIVE action can your target do?

As long as he can't ACTIVE do somethink ... there is no "vis"/"against" ... it is just 1 side against item
GanKer V Item

The second Player is missing as it doesn't matter if there is somethink in this ship or not.

-> NO PvP
-> JUST PvI

There are plenty of action he can do, but it doesn't matter. As long as a player is the pilot (ie not a bot), it is PvP. Interaction between them both ways is not required. A player is combating a player.


For possible active things: if a shield booster is fit, it could make the difference between a live ship or a dead one.
If a hauler, fit an ECM or 2. Might help.

Though really, I have not once seen a hauler get ganked flying from a gate (not saying it wont happen, just I havent seen it), but plenty do on auto.
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#717 - 2011-11-09 02:49:45 UTC
Lens Thirring wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:

PvP players will stay in low/toilet secure space or use the util of Wardecs for their Player vis Player sandbox.

Where is this low/toilet space of which you speak? I feel a sudden urge to visit there.

Just if you aren't trolling ..

00 stands for WC (water closet) or toilet ...

And yes, it's pritty much what a belive from this useless space ... throw it into toilets and flush it away Twisted

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#718 - 2011-11-09 02:52:13 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
There are plenty of action he can do, ..


Which one that is a REAL action?

Scout with alt or friend .... but don't try to bring this fitting & not autopilot lies again. You know they are just that, LIES!

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#719 - 2011-11-09 02:54:34 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
There are plenty of action he can do, ..


Which one that is a REAL action?

Scout with alt or friend .... but don't try to bring this fitting & not autopilot lies again. You know they are just that, LIES!

You should probably find out how the game works before making statements like that. There is never a reason to get ganked if you are being smart about how you're flying.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Adunh Slavy
#720 - 2011-11-09 02:58:05 UTC
Don't fly what you can't afford to loose.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt