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Here's the real funny part...

I'm not an alt.

Yeah.

Let that sink in, champ.

Also, thanks for your contribution to the thread, and for so ably replying to my post. You possess depth.

That's what every alt thinks.

"I'm the main!!" and then "No, no, I'm the main!!"

Anyway, they are right in respect to your post pretty much just regurgitating what's been said already many times. And likewise the typical rebuttals to a post such as yours have been made many times. So I wouldn't expect a quality reply.

Anyway, I'd respond to it by saying something like:

Lame this, lame that. Some people think mining is lame.

Other people think PVP is lame.

Some folks think trading is lame.

Some think wormholes are lame.

Etc .... etc.... So what?

But in a general sense if you're quite happy with EVE being a pure spaceship sim then fine. Maybe you love PVP? Or maybe you love industry? You don't have to explore the other parts of the game if you don't want them. Even the Captain's Quarters is optional. So what's your problem? That a percentage of developer effort and resources is spent on an aspect of the game you're not personally into? LE ******* GASP.

I take it I can find you also posting in anti-DUST threads? Anti-WOD threads? etc?

Are you posting in the threads against developing industry because you're a PVP player? Or vice-versa?

Don't blame others who can accept and live with the broad scope EVE brings in terms of game play just because you can not immerse yourself in that. Many people quite clearly see the potential EVE has as the "best sci-fi simulator" in existence. It can be so much more than a pure spaceship sim, and already is really! And that's CCP's vision - not just ours. Or at least it was, and still is depending on which developer you speak to.

I still believe in that vision as a player. I'm not scared that the parts of EVE I love (Wormholes, PVP, exploration) aren't being updated with every patch, and I don't waste my time posting "against" updates or development to every other part of the game.

That'd be kinda short sighted, wouldn't it?

Thing is as I've repeatedly said, eve remains in maintenance mode as a consequence of the anti wis crowd convincing ccp that the whole community hated avatar content when they only hated pay to win nex items. The irony in this of course is that by stopping wis content from being developed, fis development also stopped. Balancing is not the same as development. We've had plenty of balancing but no actual development, survey scanners and dumbing down do not count as development either. So congrats to all fis fans on stopping all eve progress stone cold dead.

Talk about a home goal...

Well ok then!


Actually I did understand the point you were trying to make, while admitting I only skimmed your post because it's the same sentiment that I've replied to, or seen countless others reply to. And circular debates or repetitive posting is just tiring.


Well aren't you just lovely.

No free drink for you in my bar when WiS arrives. *wags finger and scowls*


If you've followed this thread (or other similar threads) you'll see most players have a great appreciation of what's involved. In fact some, like myself, have actually spent time working within avatar-based games. I believe it's very feasible here.


But it is realistic.

In any case though, discussion through this thread has proved pretty much what you just stated yourself - that it's not avatar gameplay as such that anyone is opposed too, rather it's CCPs ability to implement it without disturbing the spaceship game or it's never-ending refinement.

But if you believe there's no meaningful gameplay to be had with avatar content then you're incorrect. Merely reading the Developer posts that began this thread will demonstrate just some of the ways that can take place. Besides the fact what may constitute meaningful content to you or I may not for another.


Sure! I can understand your viewpoint and appreciate all of the suggestions you just made for improving FiS aspects. *shrug*

But where we ultimately disagree, and what seems to cause your stance, is that you seem feel avatar gameplay here in EVE can only result in something that's impractical, unfeasible and meaningless in the content it provides. Thus it's not deserving on development resources. And I completely disagree, for reasons and rationale already posted a hundred times in this thread alone.

Edit: Oops, forgot link.

Fair enough. I understand where you're coming from. Both perspectives are basically exhausted.

Those who like the WiS concept and see a future for it (and who I think are a bit delusional in terms of what they believe is actually deliverable) want to see CCP pursue it to its logical extreme. Which would actually make it somewhat successful. Plus there has been a lot of cool stuff suggested, which results in even wider eyes.

Those who see WiS as a failed mmo about vampires and a currently inactive asset that will be bungled when inserted into EVE will never agree that it's worth CCP's time, because it will be bungled and will cause a lot of eye rolling and casual mockery. I'm one of these people. I think the money and the people should be used elsewhere.

Damnit Blocked site at work -.-

Confirming I am not posting via an anonymous alt to save my main the shame.


It'll come, one day, maybe not next year or the year after, but I believe if CCP still want this game to stand out among the rest then they'll keep pursuing their old vision of making this a great sci-fi sim. Don't get me wrong - I'm here because I ******* love the spaceship game, but I'm a supporter of WiS because I can see how even more awesome a gaming environment EVE would be with it's inclusion and exploitation. It's a money-earner for CCP too, for idiots like me who would spend money on avatar-stuff.

Like yourself I also hope that CCP manages to "do it properly" whenever the time comes. After Incarna if anyone should be pissed at all it's those of us who dreamed of WiS as CCP advertised and promoted it.


Well I've never played WoW, so I dunno how I'd go 'returning' there.

But anyway, firstly, many of us already do that - it's called EVE's roleplaying community. Bars, events, parties, contests, you name it, we're already roleplaying these things but simply don't have the 'real' ingame content to support it. Yet.

So for the roleplayers and those of us who simply enjoy avatar-interaction the benefits are obvious of course.

Ok, so maybe you're the type who hates roleplay? Sure, lots of people aren't into it. But drinking in bars, holding corp-meetings and enjoying other virtual interactions (which is what we're all doing here anyway Mr Whalen) is barely the tip of the iceberg. If that's all the gameplay you've heard of then I suggest you do a lil more research - Take a looky in the thread I linked in my last post - Devs describing avatar based gaming they were testing involving searching relic or data sites, etc. Imagine instead of just doing some clicky-hacking-minigame you actually dock your ship, get out and gear your avatar up, then 'physically' go searching the structures for loot. All the while avoiding NPCs and other players doing the same while trying to kill you.

There's lots of other exciting ways of introducing avatar gameplay here in a meaningful way. Just looking at EVE: A future vision trailer showing the kind of political and social games that would spring up in stations - possibly fights, assassinations, trading and more.

Then of course there's the talk in some corners where people are saying "Why can't my pod pilot jump into a DUST suit and head down to the surface? Or vice-versa. Makes no sense!". There's a lot of folks around now who have both an DUST and EVE character of the same name as they dream of being able to easily move between the two. No doubt that'll come someday too if DUST doesn't fall over completely.

So yeah, it's much more than bars, drinks and sexy avatars spinning on poles or grinding their ass in your pixellated lap.

Mmmm.