EVE General Discussion

Honestly, you’re right to lack confidence in them being able to do it well. You’re right, they have had what could be considered multiple failures in trying to broaden Eve. However, that doesn’t mean I have to give up the same vision that CCP has, the vision that pushed them to create WiS in the first place, the vision that was reason for them creating DUST, the vision that now gives them reason to make a go with Valkyrie, the vision to make a computer game rather than sticking with their successful board game. If you fail to have vision for grander things, then you’ll be stuck in a game that has no real expansions, no real new content. (seriously, mobile depots is not really in essence what I would call new content. It’s old content reformatted to have more uses and possibilities but that’s my opinion) You would have a game that never changes and eventually becomes stagnate, old news. Eventually, all you have left is bitter-vets that CCP is left with to try and convince into creating more accounts…. So yes, there is sense in branching out. It’s wrong, selfish, and too narrow-minded for Eve players to demand that CCP never makes attempts at creating other games just because they failed on the first couple attempts beyond their current money maker.



I don’t recall seeing that but I seriously hope that’s not BS from CCP, part of their signature Soon™.



I don’t recall saying it will. I do recall saying it might at least be a show to CCP that people do care about WiS. Why did the POS issue cause a threadnaught? Because CCP made a statement that the POS wasn’t important to majority of people, which was completely and obviously wrong. They haven’t made such a statement about WiS. The only thing they’ve said about it is that it isn’t being worked on, which I don’t even see as reason to create a threadnaught.




I didn’t see them as assumptions. I saw them as what I, and obviously what everyone else, is taking away from nearly every post you’ve made here. You call it assumptions. I call it summarizations.



That, to me, IS an anti-progress mentality. You want Eve to stay as it is, a FiS game. I want it to be much more. Which is why we will never come to a total agreement and will argue this till we’re both blue in the face.

With my particular skin tone turning blue might take a while.

But you are wrong, I do not have an anti progress mentality, I have "relevant and cautious progress" mentality. As in 'make progress slowly and focused in the direction of the core theme of EVE online, space (the backdrop/environment of the game) and spaceships (the tools historically used to interact with the backdrop/environment of this game)

Things like (just brain storming here) sectional damage to space ships or multi-pilot spaceships or new capabilities for spaceships (whatever happened to the idea of "strategic weapons" for our strategic cruisers) or "procedurally generated" space to explore or something crazy like being able to hook on to someone elses warp and be dragged along with them so you could tackle them when you both land (not saying any of these are good ideas mind you).. While I'm making no specific suggestion (I'm not a professional like the CCP folks), anything like this I just mentioned would add way more value to the game than "being able to watch people fix my ship".

I'm happy that CCP is doing this now and I was over-joyed when the refocused on this after their failed attempt to "expand" the game with Incarna (at the same time trying to expand the company's industry footprint with WoD). Rubicon was a great start (so many options now whereas before the things I was doing too a LOT of effort and infrastructural support) and gives me nothing but confidence in the New Vision. CCP made this change of direction for some very good reasons and the idea of deviating from what they are doing now doesn't make sense.

It's rejection of the New Vision (a rejection born in the hope that CCP revisits the "Failed Vision" of Incarna) that is reactionary, not my support of it. Still, you and the others have every right to try to encourage CCP to turn away from the winning course and back to the one that help lead them to disaster (not just WiS, but the idea of expanding too quickly and way from the central theme and towards more money), but I think that stance is irresponsible and naive.

EDIT: Just realised I was SO in violation of EULA, Forum Rules adn the UN Convention on WMDs, I should delete that

These last few pages... I expect an ISD cleanup in the very near future.

Really people, stop feeding the troll!!! Just report her, ignore her, and move on!

I dont' think it's much of an exaggeration to say that I've hardly seen a single post she's made in any thread that wasn't a troll attempt on some level or another. If she ever has anything useful to say, it's always buried in layers of vitriol and snark, and it's not worth digging through all that. So the best advice I can give is just keep clicking that flag at the top of her posts, and maybe one of these days a mod will get the hint as to exactly what sort of poison she is to these forums. Until then, "Hide posts" is a great feature; I suggest you use it.

seems? well let us all know when you know for sure, ok?

it seems for every quote someone posts, or uses as a sig, there's someone else who finds a quote saying different...

I could give a rebuttal to this but you ruined any value, to anything you ever say, by starting your comment out with Warcraft.

That's because people keep pulling up quotes from years ago before Incarna was released. The quote in my sig is from the Reddit AMA that CCP Rise did a couple weeks ago. It is the latest info available.

That's not realy the point.
If Avatar gameplay is only going to be sitting in a bar, it will fail miserably. I'm sure CCP knows that.
Avatar gameplay should be more than that. There are more than enough exciting suggestions if you care to search for them.

I'm also sure everybody, including the most adamant WiS supporters, want the further balancing of the space aspects of the game. That is also not the point.

But taking a few devs out of projects like DUST to work on avatar content in EVE might get the ball running without inpact on the FiS improvements.

about your sig: Stations are in space right? So everything you do on a station...



from that point on your statement became invalid. 1. because it is warcraft and 2. because there is alot more you can do with your avatar in warcraft.

If you would have take the effort to read through some of the posts, then you would have notice, that just sitting in a bar is not what the WiS fans would like to see. That is just an option, something small to start out with on the developement of WiS.

Back then before Incarna was released, CCP themselfs brought up a couple of good ideas what you could do in WiS.
To start with the bar. There would be free rooms on each station which you could rent and turn into what you want. A bar, a store or whatever. These Shops or bars need equipment, furniture, consumable items and so forth. This would have open up more functions to other already existing professions in the game.
Like manufacturers, they would have had a wider variety of produceable items. As store or bar owner you would have had options to make and sell drinks, which gives you boosts just like the boosters do now. Instead of pills it would have been drinks.
You would have been able to hire dancers, which in return could have earn money with getting tips for dancing.
These are all things people could do, instead of trying to make a new record in shipspinning or waiting for their mining alts cargo to fill up.