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Two years later: Walking in Stations

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#401 - 2013-12-14 07:38:35 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I created a post in F&I - its called Cmon CCP, Lets Do this?

If you want to support a push for WIS, go in and +1 it.


I looked at the post and could not support the idea you suggested, so will not post in it.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Vidua Arte Album
Epic Boo Bees
#402 - 2013-12-14 08:06:44 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I created a post in F&I - its called Cmon CCP, Lets Do this?

If you want to support a push for WIS, go in and +1 it.


I looked at the post and could not support the idea you suggested, so will not post in it.

Yesterday she said she doesn't really care about WiS, but that post conviniently got deleted. I, for one, won't support such a shady person either.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#403 - 2013-12-14 08:14:25 UTC
Vidua Arte Album wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I created a post in F&I - its called Cmon CCP, Lets Do this?

If you want to support a push for WIS, go in and +1 it.


I looked at the post and could not support the idea you suggested, so will not post in it.

Yesterday she said she doesn't really care about WiS, but that post conviniently got deleted. I, for one, won't support such a shady person either.

Mods deleted it. I said I would like it however it's no biggie if it's not developed. I have more important things to focus on. And yes I am shady.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Vidua Arte Album
Epic Boo Bees
#404 - 2013-12-14 08:25:05 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Vidua Arte Album wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I created a post in F&I - its called Cmon CCP, Lets Do this?

If you want to support a push for WIS, go in and +1 it.


I looked at the post and could not support the idea you suggested, so will not post in it.

Yesterday she said she doesn't really care about WiS, but that post conviniently got deleted. I, for one, won't support such a shady person either.

Mods deleted it. I said I would like it however it's no biggie if it's not developed. I have more important things to focus on. And yes I am shady.

Let's not have this thread derailed again.

I personally don't care much about WiS, but I just loooooove the character creator, so I guess I'm partially on this side of the fence. ^^

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#405 - 2013-12-14 09:24:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Vidua Arte Album wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I created a post in F&I - its called Cmon CCP, Lets Do this?

If you want to support a push for WIS, go in and +1 it.


I looked at the post and could not support the idea you suggested, so will not post in it.

Yesterday she said she doesn't really care about WiS, but that post conviniently got deleted. I, for one, won't support such a shady person either.


Infinity Ziona is someone I respect in Eve, nothing shady about her at all, I just did not like the idea she posted in F&I, don't put words in my mouth.

EDIT: You are a stupid Troll, blocked

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Vidua Arte Album
Epic Boo Bees
#406 - 2013-12-14 09:34:30 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Vidua Arte Album wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
I created a post in F&I - its called Cmon CCP, Lets Do this?

If you want to support a push for WIS, go in and +1 it.


I looked at the post and could not support the idea you suggested, so will not post in it.

Yesterday she said she doesn't really care about WiS, but that post conviniently got deleted. I, for one, won't support such a shady person either.


Infinity Ziona is someone I respect in Eve, nothing shady about her at all, I just did not like the idea she posted in F&I, don't put words in my mouth.
We are all super happy you are having an opinion about something or someone, just like everybody else does. And just like every opinion, it's neither right or wrong. It just is.
Thellorms Nor'Fein
Federal Bounty Services
#407 - 2013-12-14 10:28:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Thellorms Nor'Fein
Stitcher wrote:
Speaking for myself, I want more WiS content. It doesn't need to be big expansions, it doesn't need to be major overhauls. I'd just like to see it slowly grow and improve beyond its current, purely cosmetic status.

I don't care if it takes resources away from something else. What we have right now just isn't enough, and I reject the notion that EVE is purely an internet spaceships game right now - it's far too big and metagamey to be just that - and I completely reject the idea that it should always remain solely about the spaceships.


Going way back on the thread here, but I couldn't have said this better myself in as few words. It's just exactly how I feel (and then some!).

Baroness Vulna wrote:
Wow, this topic has hit a few nerves and hearts it seems. For good reason, WiS has been a big topic for years, it's too bad CCP messed up so badly on the big expansion for it.

WiS is not just about role playing, it is about immersion in the game and expanding an already promising character/avatar part of the game.

CCP doesn't need to put as much resources into improving WiS , they could gradually work on it with each expansion that way it would complement space ship improvements.

From what i get after reading posts so far, there is a camp of people who absolutely hate the idea of CCP putting any effort into WiS again and a camp that would like to see it done right this time.


And this. Every time this subject is brought up (having done it a few times myself), some people act like your touching an exposed nerve. I'm in the camp with the others that hope to see WiS further developed. I've been in this game for years, and I've played EVE Online for the immersion factor. You'd think this was joke right? Perhaps you do. But where else do we a universe as rich as EVE Online that we can throw ourselves into and be a part of as starship pilots? This is a monopoly that CCP has in the industry right now that, I hope does not last much longer. Incarna was what I thought was my hopes and dreams for this game coming true. Finally, stepping out of our ships, seeing other faces, living a close-to-second-life experience, in space! I welcomed Incarna with open arms(and quite honestly didn't care one way or the other about Aurum, I mean noone was forcing me to buy any of it).

At first it was the captains quarters, and I just knew that CCP was working on getting that door in the quarters open for us and a rich new experience lied ahead, but... well, thats not what I got. I'm equally as bitter as others here, but perhaps for different reasons. I'm bitter at every other player who lost sight of the dream of what something like WiS could have been, and instead chose to make CCP's PR life a living hell. I understood why they backed down from WiS, but that doesn't mean I was not angry about it.

I play today because I still have hope that CCP will see something like this thread and realize that while there are many bitter peoples out there, there are also many who want to see WiS become all that it can be. I do agree with previous posters that it should be a little at a time, because that seems to be the only way you can scratch two backs at once. As it stands right now, they are scratching only one, and I'm curious to see how much longer it can last this way. I'm only one player, and what I do has little to no impact, but I know in my heart that if it becomes clear to me that my hopes and dreams for this game will indeed not happen, I will quite simply leave, and I doubt that I will be the only one (those interest graphs some posts back shows as much for me). I've become invested in EVE over the years, because of what I hope to see it become. It has allowed me to instill some faith in CCP. Faith that has chipped away ever since they stepped away from WiS. Like someone who's been in a bad relationship, I'm afraid to keep feeling that way about EVE Online. For this reason I hope for alternatives in the future (eyeing a big one right now that I'm sure most here know about) and I believe that some healthy competition (not neccessarily "killers") would do CCP some good, if that's what it takes to jog some sense into their future developments.

All of us here, are just full of opinions. Leaning towards our own desires. It can't be helped, threads like this pitting two sides against each other, and it's going to happen A LOT more. One of these days, I'll learn to keep my nose out of it. These places are trouble. :P

Ahh, Jita... - http://i.imgur.com/UHGT4xc.jpg

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#408 - 2013-12-14 10:35:56 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


EDIT: You are a stupid Troll, blocked


When you say this you do realise you are saying;

"I dont agree with your opinion, but it offends me so much that I will call you a name and then make sure I don't have to hear your opinion again, because it offends me and, by extention, makes me reconsider my own opinion"

I, too, admire Ioseph Stalin, but I don't think following his example is a good idea.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#409 - 2013-12-14 11:13:58 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:


EDIT: You are a stupid Troll, blocked


When you say this you do realise you are saying;

"I dont agree with your opinion, but it offends me so much that I will call you a name and then make sure I don't have to hear your opinion again, because it offends me and, by extention, makes me reconsider my own opinion"

I, too, admire Ioseph Stalin, but I don't think following his example is a good idea.


You are blocked too, and I realized that this toon was one of yours.

I called you what you are, I listen to other peoples opinions, but what is important, is how they say things and the intent behind it and whether the person has an open mind on the subject and can actually hold an open debate and listen to other views, once it is clear that the person is just a megaphone then I remove them as background noise, simple as. No apologies...

I live in France, I went to Montpelier which is a city that has a statue of Stalin in the centre, I made a point of going there late at night and I pee'd on its leg, Stalin, lol!!!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#410 - 2013-12-14 11:22:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Dracvlad wrote:


You are blocked too, and I realized that this toon was one of yours.




This is apparently the second time you have blocked me

And your failure to understand my meaning does not invalidate the fact that you appear incapable of having a debate as an adult yourself

That you judge without supporting evidence the validity of another person's view, and dismiss it because it differs from your own supports this

extra territorium jus dicenti impune non paretur

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Rebel Witch
Zero Reps Given
Pandemic Horde
#411 - 2013-12-14 16:23:40 UTC
Ahhh yeah, Still remember the anticipation started in 2007 with the video of Ambulation of a "different but inclusive" aspect of EVE that involved the most basic and well known mechanic of MMO's "walking around" with an Avatar, interaction using characters not just ships.

I know it is unwanted by some, but i get the feeling that a great many more people would like to see it still happen in EVE.

After all, i think EVE has one of the best looking Avatar programs in all MMO's. Now if they can just expand on that little by little into Walking in Stations environments. Bonus!

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#412 - 2013-12-14 16:26:02 UTC
"9 What has happened before will happen again. What has been done before will be done again. There is nothing new in the whole world. 10 "Look," they say, "here is something new!" But no, it has all happened before, long before we were born. 11 No one remembers what has happened in the past, and no one in days to come will remember what happens between now and then. "

- Ecclesiastes 1:9-11

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Nyancat Audeles
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#413 - 2013-12-14 16:32:32 UTC
+1
Rebel Witch
Zero Reps Given
Pandemic Horde
#414 - 2013-12-14 16:38:04 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
"9 What has happened before will happen again. What has been done before will be done again. There is nothing new in the whole world. 10 "Look," they say, "here is something new!" But no, it has all happened before, long before we were born. 11 No one remembers what has happened in the past, and no one in days to come will remember what happens between now and then. "

- Ecclesiastes 1:9-11



Nice eyes Ramona Blink, but i don't think you see the big picture that others envision with WiS additions. And i know you Amarr love your books of wisdom, however words of the past don't always embody the spirit of what is desired for the future.

Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#415 - 2013-12-14 16:41:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Rebel Witch wrote:


Nice eyes Ramona Blink, but i don't think you see the big picture that others envision with WiS additions. And i know you Amarr love your books of wisdom, however words of the past don't always embody the spirit of what is desired for the future.



I am not commenting on the merits of WiS

I have stated many times I am actually in favour of WiS

I am pointing out that you have stated a point made many many times in this thread and predicting that your statements will lead this thread once more into a cycle it has rotated through several times already

Also, thank you

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#416 - 2013-12-14 16:56:21 UTC
WIS will not and should not be worked on for at least the next five years.
Vidua Arte Album
Epic Boo Bees
#417 - 2013-12-14 17:55:14 UTC
Rebel Witch wrote:
Nice eyes Ramona Blink
She belongs to our family now. Interested ?

I hope we can gather up in space soon, btw.
Dersen Lowery
The Scope
#418 - 2013-12-14 23:53:10 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
It hasn't helped that a great deal of WiS advocacy talked in great length about how weirdly excited they were at the idea of things like 'setting up a bar in a station somewhere'. Because, you know, if I was an immortal posthuman able to fly a mile-long spaceship and trigger barrages of artillery shells the size of a family car by plugging the controls directly into my brain, the thing I'd really be looking forward to doing would be pulling pints and cleaning up vomit in the toilets down at the King's Arms on a Friday night.


Right, that's why I hate piloting a mile-long spaceship: because I don't like sweating it out in engineering, tending the reactor.

It's why I hate combat, because loading those Volkswagens into the artillery gets old fast.

It's why I don't do industry, because it's so tedious to sweep the factory floors.

C'mon, man, you're not even trying.

Scatim Helicon wrote:
Now, exploring the deep space wreckage of long-lost civilisations with nothing but a vacuum-suit and a flashlight, negotiating malfunctioning security systems and making off with rare and precious artifacts? That's something I can get behind, and if/when CCP gives the greenlight to working on a release for it I'll be interested to see what they can come up with.


Ditto. That would be amazing, but it would be amazing PVE, running through content provided by the developers. I thought that was bad? Apparently it is, until avatars are involved.

As for when CCP will or ~should~ work on WiS, I'll leave that to them. I'm just registering interest in their working on it at all. And as for the people who can't tolerate the idea that the game will ever be larger than what they currently enjoy, the good news is that you will most likely be able to continue doing what you enjoy.

Proud founder and member of the Belligerent Desirables.

I voted in CSM X!

XiiX Smyth
Mentant
#419 - 2013-12-15 02:52:28 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
We want CCP to continue with internet spaceship fixes in this internet spaceship game.

WE want CCP to continue the development of station environments.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#420 - 2013-12-15 04:46:38 UTC
Dersen Lowery wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:

Now, exploring the deep space wreckage of long-lost civilisations with nothing but a vacuum-suit and a flashlight, negotiating malfunctioning security systems and making off with rare and precious artifacts? That's something I can get behind, and if/when CCP gives the greenlight to working on a release for it I'll be interested to see what they can come up with.


Ditto. That would be amazing, but it would be amazing PVE, running through content provided by the developers. I thought that was bad? Apparently it is, until avatars are involved.

As for when CCP will or ~should~ work on WiS, I'll leave that to them. I'm just registering interest in their working on it at all. And as for the people who can't tolerate the idea that the game will ever be larger than what they currently enjoy, the good news is that you will most likely be able to continue doing what you enjoy.

Well if I found a nice deep space-wreck like that I might hide in it and gank anyone coming to loot it.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)