Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I still wish Rise would make this a Black Ops logistic ship. Come on you know you wanna.

I still say, drop the scanning and hacking bonuses and add a ship array for 1-2 frigates, a 500-1000m³ corp hangar and a penalty removal for cloaks. Maybe throw in a +2 warpcore strength, thought that may be pushing it.

That would make it unique and fit into the role as exploration support vessel.

I was trying to figure out why people feel the Nestor absolutely needs a covert ops cloak in the other Nestor thread and, I admit, I still don't get it. I agree the ship needs something, but I think a CovertOps is way to strong. I did have an idea which, at the time was something off the top of my head, but has grown on me the more I've thought about it.

Considering the SoE have the most advanced probe tech available, it's plausible they could have found ways to prevent their ships from being detected by probes.

Instead of a full blown cloaking bonus perhaps the Nestor could be immune, or be extremely resistant, to probe scans. It would still show up on directional, and there would be no effect when on grid. This would give the Nestor a fair amount of evasiveness when not engaged, while eliminating some of the offensive and defensive capabilities a covert ops cloak has in the local grid.

We still need something to replace the terrible analyze/hack bonuses :P

They will not go down, unless the smaller ships get a huge nerf.

Grinding LP isn't the only way to get SoE BPCs anymore, there are also drops in the drone regions, so the ship prices have a little more freedom to fluctuate independently of LP price.

The effect is already being seen in the Nestor's price, which has already dropped over 100m in the last week. Not a surprise considering the cost/benefit ratio/

So, I played around with the changes a little bit and would like to put down my thoughts.

Unfortunately, I'm both not a Logi pilot, and completely out of practice fitting ships, so take my feedback with a grain of salt.

The distance and capacitor recharge changes are welcome changes to the Nestor. I didn't do a full Logi boat, but the additional distance and cap recharge bonus did make it a little easier for me to support my friend in testing. I was only running two RRs in my highs, and I didn't feel like my cap was strained, but I have no idea how well this stands up to Logi Frigs and Cruisers.

Overall, the Nestor feels fairly balanced now. It's a decent ship, just not worth the current price (which isn't controlled by CCP, and I assume is going to go down over time).

The only Criticism I have is that when I was using it as a Support / Logi BS the slot layout feels... off. I know it has a 7/6/6 layout to help with things like the Hacking/Analyzing, but I felt like my low slots were too limited and med slots were too plentiful. Like I said, I'm out of practice fitting ships, but I felt like I should have been able to fit a little more tank on a Gallente/Amarr hybrid. The Nestor doesn't have the advantage of speed tanking, like the smaller Logis, so it needs something to keep it in the fight.

I've said how bad the Nestor is at Analyzing/hacking compared to the alternatives, dropping those role bonuses and swapping one mid slot to a low, giving it a 7/5/7 layout, seems like a pretty good tradeoff. It would definitely entice me into taking mine out of the hanger more often.

So here's the $1-billion question then… How much under $1-billion would the proposed Nestor be worth to you at this point?

But, but… it's white.

I don't have access to the market right now, and I can't remember the last time I actually checked the numbers, so I'll give me answer in the relative cost of other Pirate BS.

In the current form, with the 7/6/6 layout, I would put it's worth around that of the Rattlesnake. If I remember correctly, that's the low end of the spectrum. Placing a focus on the Logi side has made it a better ship, but it still feels like it's suffering from that lack of focus it had earlier on. I would like to here what a dedicated logistics pilot would say about it, but I think it's in a much better position than it was before.

If it was given a 7/5/7 layout, I'd could see it being worth more. I'd still pay less then a Nightmare or Mach, but I think it would have enough focus to pull it's weight.

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I know I in a previous post I said the price was coming down due to the drone drops, but I was mistaken. The current price is due to supply and demand, and the drops are supposed to start with 1.3 (as I understand, I have been wrong before). Hopefully we'll start seeing prices drop more quickly when that happens.

By 2/3's? That might be a tad optimistic...