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HelPilot of20Years
Doomheim
#641 - 2011-12-01 15:27:44 UTC
Baki Yuku wrote:

....With that in place the hel will be just fine.
Also regarding neuting yeah you will get neut'd in a knockout fight but when you have 3 capital energy on every hel its kinda impossible to break I mean srsly I dont think I need to tell you just how much cap gets generated by the transfers..


What dream region do *you* live in? I'd like to see these 2 Hels of yours in the next *anything* fleet battle rr'ing each other to victory.
It doesn't have to be a special fight to get neuted. Primary will always get neuted.

You just used the phrase "impossible to break [tank]" in the same sentence as hel. Get out. This thread is for serious feedback only.

...designed for [u]one purpose and one purpose only[/u]. ”Imagine a swarm of deadly hornets pouring from the devil’s mouth. Now imagine they have autocannons.” -Unknown Hel designer
MastahFR
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#642 - 2011-12-01 18:16:48 UTC
CCP Tallest, all Hel pilots are still waiting for your feedback on our ship case, please.
Thanks.
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#643 - 2011-12-02 08:58:09 UTC
In regards to shield amount, i can't remember what the base was before the patch, but when Crucible was beign tested, the Hel got the full 20% cut to shield amount. It was pretty damn horrible to see :S

They then raised the shield amount up to 891,000 HPs. For reference, the Wyvern has 900k.

I think for the next expansion in 6 months time, CCP would do well to alter the bonus to a 5% drone RoF on the test server to get some feedback, and compare it to the Hel usage that we will see on TQ until then

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Altolinchen
Disneys Empire
#644 - 2011-12-02 10:27:24 UTC
Supers need at least the old size of the drone bay...
The fight I've had yesterday showed that it is impossible for supers to fight other supers with support cause you're bombers and fighters are just to easy to kill and you can't take a secondary set of them. and since you lost 0815 drones you are defenseless and offensiveness and that's SUCKS. Many supers were reporting this problem in fleet during that fight.
I even think the dronebay should now be able to carrier 60+ in total. Because before the patch even if your 40-45 bombers/fighters where dead you had thousands of drone and now you have nothing -.- so no DPS left... ( neuts / remote ecm... LOL )(and the few spare once we are able to carry in corp hanger - never mind .. you need to carrier other capital modules and spare isotopes etc... corp hanger soon is full.. and stuff for your support fleet ).


The fight was fairer for the enemy I think they got more numbers in supers and support.. so see where such nerf leads to... more blob - we would have needed a bigger blob to win :/.

Also If they stay on the nerf than please fix some other stuff as well. Give them a role, where they can be useful. Let bombers hit pos etc.?? or a bigger ship maintenance bay and corp hanger? fit again clone vat ? go to triage ?
doesn't matters but now they are underpowered and unbalanced even more as they were overpowered before the patch...

Jita is a very dangoures place - concord killed me like 15 times today!
Isbariya
State War Academy
Caldari State
#645 - 2011-12-02 12:31:52 UTC
Altolinchen wrote:
Supers need at least the old size of the drone bay...
The fight I've had yesterday showed that it is impossible for supers to fight other supers with support cause you're bombers and fighters are just to easy to kill and you can't take a secondary set of them. and since you lost 0815 drones you are defenseless and offensiveness and that's SUCKS. Many supers were reporting this problem in fleet during that fight.
I even think the dronebay should now be able to carrier 60+ in total. Because before the patch even if your 40-45 bombers/fighters where dead you had thousands of drone and now you have nothing -.- so no DPS left... ( neuts / remote ecm... LOL )(and the few spare once we are able to carry in corp hanger - never mind .. you need to carrier other capital modules and spare isotopes etc... corp hanger soon is full.. and stuff for your support fleet ).


The fight was fairer for the enemy I think they got more numbers in supers and support.. so see where such nerf leads to... more blob - we would have needed a bigger blob to win :/.

Also If they stay on the nerf than please fix some other stuff as well. Give them a role, where they can be useful. Let bombers hit pos etc.?? or a bigger ship maintenance bay and corp hanger? fit again clone vat ? go to triage ?
doesn't matters but now they are underpowered and unbalanced even more as they were overpowered before the patch...



signed, what would you say if CCP announces that all ships can only carry enough ammunition for 1 and a half rounds, for example if a gun can hold 40 Shots you can have 20 additional shots in your cargo, nothing more.
It would lead to an outrage ! And that's kind of what was done to Supers.
Fighters and Bombers are fairly easy to kill and once your 30(35) are gone you can't do anything productive.
That's why I suggest a drone bay for supers for at least 60 fighters or fighter bombers.
Altolinchen
Disneys Empire
#646 - 2011-12-02 13:03:12 UTC
Isbariya wrote:

That's why I suggest a drone bay for supers for at least 60 fighters or fighter bombers.


But even 60 would be lol..
before the patch had about 2400 drones on board so nearly no time out of dps - Well much less dps if you had to pull out drones than with bombers or fighters but okay still dps left.
Was able to launch wave after wave ( even when fighters and bombers where dead).
Now limited to the bombers and fighters only and not able to carry at least 2 full sets? Even 2 full set are LOL.
Like a BS where only 4 of 8 turrets loaded with 80 shot and the rest can only be loaded with 20 shot - WTF CCP.
This ships are super carrier - so let them carrier a super amount.
60+ that would at least mean for wyvern and aeon 30 bombers and 30 fighters so not that fast out of dps.
and 70 for hel and nyx.
This huge dronebay is necessary- even a rorqual is to small ( for full sets) and would be the only ship with a capital tank on which you could reload fighters and bombers...
and nobody will warp in fighters in cap fight - they are dead before you picked your new fighters and bombers out of them...

Jita is a very dangoures place - concord killed me like 15 times today!
Phunnestyle
Doomheim
#647 - 2011-12-03 08:35:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Phunnestyle
What is for sure is that Supers needs a manditory Drone bay capacity of room for 20 fighterbombers & 20x Fighters, that is manditory, as for having room for 60+ your getting a little ahead of yourself. Need to prioritize this ammendment first & foremost. We should never of had to dedicate our time to resolving this needless, aimless stupidity. Nerfing the drone bay should of never happened & should have never even been considered past the thought of "ohh ha, yea thats a stupid idea".

We would like to hear if & when this will be implimented into a patch fix. Needs to be very soon, an prioritized. In all fairness it wouldn't take long for CCP to sort this mess out,its not a complex fault to fix, so god knows why we havn't heard anything more on the matter. Don't want this folly dragging on any longer!
Isbariya
State War Academy
Caldari State
#648 - 2011-12-04 21:20:49 UTC
Any new thought, conclusions or updates regarding super caps ccp ?
Zeb DaMadMiner
Lunar Warp Industries
#649 - 2011-12-05 05:57:34 UTC
Another thing to add to the plate, if you look at the CPU/PWG between the Chimera fit, and the Archon for example. Even though the Chimera has more CPU than the Archon armor tanks do not use as much as shields.

Currently, you can fully fit Archon's with all the cap parts you need. And have spare leftover, yet with a Chimera just to get it close to the Archon's layout fit you still require +3 implant, + all level 5 CPU reduction skills just to fit.
Little boost of the Chimera's CPU? - Even if it's only 10, they need it.
Shaak Ti
Star.Men
Fraternity.
#650 - 2011-12-05 06:40:32 UTC
The dronebay nerf have no sense. And you even increased the dronebay parts in the BPOs!!!

Ok removing the drones to avoid them being "too flexible", but removing the ability to even do ANY damage...

What were you thinking dudes? fitting a machariel?
Charles Edisson
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#651 - 2011-12-05 12:12:11 UTC
Fighter bombers hit a sig of what 2250m and Fighters 125. One is far too small, (Fightrers) and the other far too big(FB).

Fighters resolution should be increased to 400 as they are designed to hit BS. to compensate for this their optimal range and tracking should be adjusted to make then engage at a longer range but with less tracking so they have the same effective tracking at their optimal ranges.

Fighter Bombers need to have their explosion radius reduced significantly. Should they not be in the same ball park as that of capital guns. most other missile platforms are, if this were the case they should have an explosion radius of around 1000m, BS would still be safe as the explosion velocity is only 60m/s. FB can be speed tanked by anything in the game. Again another weapon platform that's theoretical paper damage and actual in game damage are worlds appart.
Ingwine
Krotongs
#652 - 2011-12-05 12:23:23 UTC
CCP Tallest wrote:



* Shield leadership bonus should work like an armor bonus and not require recharging shields after every jump.

Is that includes bonus from Leviathan as booster?
MastahFR
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#653 - 2011-12-05 23:16:22 UTC
Still waiting feedback from CCP about the Hel situation.
3Weeks and counting...
Lord FunkyMunky
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#654 - 2011-12-06 01:03:32 UTC
Wait did someone just ***** that a super alone wasnt able to survive against a super with a support fleet????

Upp ya .. thats kind of how its supposed to be buddy... supers are supercapitals, there not meant to be able to survive solo... there team ships
MastahFR
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#655 - 2011-12-06 12:26:20 UTC
Bump for the Hel issue and in particular all shield capitals. We have **** tank, we also want to take part in fight and be useful. CCP we are also your customers and expect you to include us into the balance.
We want ship we can fly, we want ship we can be proud off, we want to have fun with our shield capitals/supercapitals.

Thanks.
Phunnestyle
Doomheim
#656 - 2011-12-07 08:43:23 UTC
Patch Fix out today, sooo why hasn't the Supers drone bay capacity been at least ammended to the manditory amount of 20 Fighter Bombers & 20 Fighters???????????????????

Need feed back CCP can't pretend you don't hear us & stick your fingers in your ears. Theres a immediate unjust issue & we would like it resolved.
Svennig
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#657 - 2011-12-07 09:47:48 UTC
Phunnestyle wrote:
Patch Fix out today, sooo why hasn't the Supers drone bay capacity been at least ammended to the manditory amount of 20 Fighter Bombers & 20 Fighters???????????????????

Need feed back CCP can't pretend you don't hear us & stick your fingers in your ears. Theres a immediate unjust issue & we would like it resolved.


Needs more question marks and sense of entitlement.
Rixiu
PonyTek
#658 - 2011-12-08 13:46:36 UTC
Phunnestyle wrote:
Patch Fix out today, sooo why hasn't the Supers drone bay capacity been at least ammended to the manditory amount of 20 Fighter Bombers & 20 Fighters???????????????????

Need feed back CCP can't pretend you don't hear us & stick your fingers in your ears. Theres a immediate unjust issue & we would like it resolved.


You're the (<)1%, stop trying to force your will on the (>)99%!
Sameyaa
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#659 - 2011-12-08 15:01:10 UTC
Rixiu wrote:
Phunnestyle wrote:
Patch Fix out today, sooo why hasn't the Supers drone bay capacity been at least ammended to the manditory amount of 20 Fighter Bombers & 20 Fighters???????????????????

Need feed back CCP can't pretend you don't hear us & stick your fingers in your ears. Theres a immediate unjust issue & we would like it resolved.


You're the (<)1%, stop trying to force your will on the (>)99%!


We are less then 1%? show me where you are getting these numbers from. Did you go around asking every person in the game and come up with this? Everyone that owns a supercap and even people who dont feel our pain. This is not a troll thread, if you have nothing productive to include in the conversation then don't say anything at all.
Ranya Delnas
Doomheim
#660 - 2011-12-08 18:50:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranya Delnas
Hey now i would be happy if you could only have 20 fighters/fighter bombers, or pre nerf stats, provided you could lock no subcaps other than dictors/HIC's Because im happy if all the caps kill eachother while the real pilots have an actually fun fight