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Hint: They are nerfing that too...

Since it was not going to be read where I posted it.

[Archon, WH Triage]
Capital Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
Capital Inefficient Armor Repair Unit
Corpum A-Type Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

Triage Module I
Capital Coaxial Regenerative Projector
Capital Coaxial Regenerative Projector
Capital Coaxial Regenerative Projector
Capital Murky Energy Transmitter I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Standard WH fit, not too expensive, right? Fits easily. You do not even have to fit all of those expensive modules for the fit to work; full meta 0 t2 fit works just fine. Feel free to toss the new t2 triage module on there. For higher DPS pvp when the enemies don't bring Bhaalgorns (in someone elses wormhole, for instance, and when not engaging R&K, AHARM, or any other big WH groups), bring two B-type EANMs instead of the one A-type. Fitting how you want, you have the CPU and PG to do ANYTHING with the archon (other than shield tank it. I guess triple rep is out, but you were an idiot for expecting that...).

Now the Caldari Equivalent:

[Chimera, Triage WH]
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay
True Sansha Capacitor Power Relay

Capital Neutron Saturation Injector I
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field
True Sansha Cap Recharger
True Sansha Cap Recharger
True Sansha Cap Recharger
True Sansha Cap Recharger

Capital Murky Shield Screen Transmitter I
Capital Murky Shield Screen Transmitter I
Capital Murky Shield Screen Transmitter I
Triage Module I
Capital Murky Energy Transmitter I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit II
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Fits by 4.25 CPU. Note all of the faction / meta 2 modules on there that have lower fitting requirements. You need them to do this. You need 5 CPU to fit the new t2 triage. Want to add something like a boost amp to that tank because no one is really neuting you? If you use a 5% CPU implant, you can fit a Pith C shield boost amp, and still not shoehorn that T2 triage module on there. You can do whatever you want with an archon, but hardly anything with a chimera.

5% CPU boost would make this ship less ******** to fit tbqfh.

EDIT: actually, shield Archon is not out of the question...As long as you run remote armor. Slightly less cap regen and base tank than the armor Archon, but the tank overheats for more. Also, it tanks more than the chimera with the fit posted above for slightly less (~20 or 30) cap regen. I would run it for ***** and giggles, but I have to choose either armor or shields boosts (this is a lie, my booster alt can run the resist bonus to shields and all three to armor at the same time; one would be less though because of which afk T3 i was in. I am also too lazy to grab my boost tengu given that I already have a properly fit 4 link nigh-unprobeable legion; the tengu is not that great.)

Hmm... Comparing a BPO of a Nyx on the Test server Vs TQ... it appears the Nyx will be more expensive to build. Can anyone else confirm?

BP alterations are also for other SCs and the dreads

You'll need a webber and a painter to pin down a bs for a titan to kill. You're gonna have to nerf webbers and painters more which will adversely affect many aspects of pvp.

If you nerf the tracking of capital guns even more then it will have trouble hitting moving supercaps.

When you're in a BS around a titan you better start moving. Pilots need to fly their ships.

Being forced to make a choice is exactly what Eve has always been about and for a few years players have been spoiled too much... Players expect to fit the largest guns with ease, expect to microwarp around constantly without cap mods fitted and permatanking the ratting ships has become the norm.

I blaim mostly rigs for powergrid and cap without consequences, but you guys shouldn't come crawling because you don't get your deepest fantasies fulfilled....

Pinky

Don't compare regular ships with super capitals, they are very different. While you can make changes or restock a hurricane very easily, a supercarrier is a different story.

The new changes, renders supercarriers in an analog of dreadnoughts (only useful to deal high DPS at large targets). With a weapon limited by room and very easily destroyed, this nerf only makes more boring and time consuming the ship management.

Remember, a supercarrier have many drawbacks that are not being taken into account:

-Can't dock
-Can be built in sov systems only
-Vulnerable while being built
-Expensive
-No insurance
-Character stuck

Simply removing stuff should not be a solution for balance.

By that logic, dreadnaughts should fit battleship guns so that when they encounter a battleship fleet they can take them on.

Or you could realise that anti-subcap operations is not the role of either dreadnoughts OR supercarriers - it's something you should be leaving to your subcap fleet?

Will say it again :

It's like asking a guy what his salary should be. He'll tell you 12 bazillions because we all want our best toys buffed.

If you ask Superpilots how to nerf supers, they'll tell you how to nerf supers THE LEAST.

Because they own one, and they won't screw themselves up.

Holy ****.

Everyone read this. ""if it happens enough now, but after the patch alot [sic] more subcap fleets will have the ballz... to go ballz deep on supers"

No. Way. It's almost like that's what *should* happen.




Grow some balls and post with your main. If you're going to mention any of MM's tactics or try to question what I know I want to know where you stand. If you're going to try to insult me or call me a troll when I'm posting AS ME, then man up and do the same.

No, Listen very closely. You are still stuck in the mindset that a mothership is a solopwnmobile. You want to have things to address EVERY SINGLE incident that puts you in danger. Well now you have that vulnerability. Just as regular caps can get neuted and find themselves dead you can now find your DPS bombed.

And again, all your hypothetical nonsense fails to include that you lack any support. If you are in a fleet of nothing but supercaps and a bomber fleet bombs all your drones, GOOD FOR THEM. You were stupid to not have dictors on the perimeter. You didn't have cruisers or even frigates to fastlock and get rid of the bombers.

Or you were too stupid and recalled them as soon as a bomber uncloaked.

Either way, you want CCP to keep you from having mistakes. You want CCP to bubblewrap you to keep your super being caught with its pants down when it does something ballsy and ********.




You know you're losing an argument when you start with the logical fallacies.

\What makes you think I don't have a supercarrier, or never did? Because I don't agree with having it stupidly overpowered?

CCP should do something to make supercarriers more useful outside of direct combat since now more than ever they'll be relegated to unopposed structure shooting unless some new functionality is added.

I want them to make superscarriers into awesome combat logistics hubs-- triple the SMA / CHA / Fuel Bay capacities and add "facilities" that let them refine dropped loot (scrapmetal processing) and build combat consumables like ammo, paste, drones, anchorable bubbles, warp disrupt probes, scripts, etc. Also maybe a repair bay to rep burned-out modules or something... could give SCs a cool new role.