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If you remove siege you'd need to bump the base damage up to compensate for the DPS.

I feel that siege should be used for 2 things - structures and supers, while OOS should be used for regular capitals.

The problem with dreads not being on POS bashes isn't because nobody wants to fly them, but as you said what happens is:

1) dreads drop into siege

2) lone hostile recon decloaks and pops cyno

3) 20 supers jump in

4) dreads are stuck for an agonizing time and begin popping


It's safer and easier to bring in battleships or even BCs with proper logi.

I proposed buffing tracking and explosion velocity while in siege, and in addition to those:


Buff POS guns

Small - typical damage of large batteries (~87% for Arty for example)
Medium - increase damage modifier from ~67% to about ~100%
Large - increase damage modifier from ~87% to about ~150 to 170%

This means a POS gunner at a large POS can instapop battleships before logi can rep. It also means unsieged dreads can take a little hurt and would utilize carrier logistics.

Allow remote rep from carriers to dreads in siege, and drop the local tank bonus.

keep the siege timer at the reduced duration.


This does a few things, it forces dreads on POS towers again thus giving supers more to do now that thy are geared to OS bashing.

It puts the smaller ships back on SBUs and TCUs.

What everyone here is failing to realize is the fact that those changes wont change anything on Alliance Warfare Level. They just ruin the ships for the personal player.

After this patch Capital warfare as a whole will die out. Maybee not right on patchday, but i dont give it 3 months until seeing deployed capitals will become something you only see n00bs doing. And even that only that one time while they get droped by a BS Gang with RR support.

Dreads are still just a bunch of big unmovable targets if deployed, carriers are way to thin for bigger fleet fights (a decent sized Alpha Fleet can instapop one without hazzle) and SCs will simply lack something to shoot at (remember, Fighters + Fighter Bombers can not even shoot POSes) .

The only worthy Caps to use will be Titans, because of their still awesome DPS and EHP without Tracking penality and their ability to even bring their own support fleet right with them through the bridge. Especially, if u have mutliple of them.

Than Goons will cry some more, Titans will be nerfed into oblivion and that was it for Eve Online and Cap warfare.


I dont know, but i stil think the dumbest thing they ever did was to remove the AoE DD. With the AoE DD and the old Sov Structure, Dreads would still be the Nr.1 Cap with a Role and the Bonus, that their Damage could not be taken without destroying the actuall ship.

Oh and btw.: To comment that supers need to be nerfed, because their is no bigger ship: Ever thought that this will always be the case? I mean, tell me what bigger ship to bring in highsec than a BS? What is the solution to that?

Let me tell you: BRING MOAR

So if u want to beat 100 SCs, than BRING MOAR.

There will always be *the biggest ship*. The problem with SCs is simply that some where wise enough to get them and some where not and now are crying.

Oh and btw.: To all people telling us to stop whining and swallow it, why didnt u do that in the first place and swallowed the fact that our ships are better than the crap you fly and just shut up? Seems you cryed loud and long enough so that CCP had to feel sorry for you and your incompetence. Because everyone can get into a SC, even if he does only Level 4s in Highsec. It just takes some time and dedication and the ability to motivate yourself over an extended periode of time.

But no, putting effort into something should never pay out.

U can't be serious. Wtf is the purpose of a supercarrier if a carrier has to bring its drones for the supercarrier to use?

If you want to have your choice on deployment

Simple solution for the super cap issue:

a) Remove them from game;
b) Return their isk mineral cost to their owners;
c) Return the isks spent in skills to the pilots;
d) Return the isks that were invested by corporations/pilots on modules that can only be used by super caps;
e) Return to the current owners the isks spent on BPO/BPC's Super Caps;
f) Return to the corps/pilots/owners the isks invested in CSAA's out there;
g) Return their SP's invested in the proper skils to a pool where the pilots can reassigne them;
...
f) Everybody happy.

Here is a prime example CCP of whats going to happen with the expansion. You are going to maybe get some old players back with that but at the same time be losing hundreds more of accounts because of this nerf.

Crucible is going to be a good expansion but it has its grain of salt, and depending on what you fly that grain of salt might be a boulder instead. Case in point, delay the nerf, wait for people to get used to the NEW ships that were MADE to kill supers, you might then not even need to do it.

Hahahaha, might it be that you are mad, perchance?

here here lol

Never before realised how whiny some supercaps pilots are. Jesus, anyone would think that they turned them into caracals. They still **** out dps to titans, supers, carriers and dreads. They are still somewhat useful against BS. They still have stupid tanks. They are simply more vulnerable to smaller fleets. You need support.

So much qq because you might actually lose your ship now. Time for you to be reminded of he number one rule of Eve:don't fly what you can't afford to lose.

well, after watching everyone else wine and ***** and moan and get what they wanted, its obvious thats the only way to get anything done in eve so we joined the mASSes.