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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#981 - 2013-11-11 20:19:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
There were some yellow instructions in Sarum prime local buried in mass spam who all moved out of amarr for the day, but some of those were trolling in game links ,there was one that appeared more genuine, so after seeing the same in twitter, I thought what the hell I will not get anything done waiting here.so pretty much the same experience as you.Never saw a CCP post at all.Sorry I missed you, would have been good to be in a fleet, but in the end It was over before I even got there.


Yeah there were links of all sorts being thrown up along with uncoloured text claiming to be from this or that person every so often (and the only reason I managed to catch where we were supposed to head to). I did manage to catch the very bottom of the MotD and scrolled up to realise instructions were being updated there. Again this wasn't communicated clearly at all and there should've been a new channel (possibly called "Sarum Prime Fleet LE) created with gagging for everyone not an RPG FC\CCP Dev\ISD or whoever was running the show. Another for Meves etc etc. I saw X's up in all three channels I joined every second if not more than once a second along with the Amarr market scams and stuff going on it was complete chaos.

Shame I missed you as the fleet I was in was completely kitchen-sink ad-hoc based everyone trusting whoever was in fleet and you know what, that part felt good, it felt like old EVE Online before the paranoia the modern version we now know where anyone could be either a spy, scammer, awoxer, ganker, etc etc and if they were it didn't matter...we were ready to die in a ball of fire for what we believed in that day.

I actually lost a ship on Saturday by screwing up royally and LMFAO in Local! Had a laugh with the gatecampers (while warping my pod between celestials and BM's) for about 15 minutes and I was even in a blank clone then. Not bothered about having my ships blown up at all but don't like the thought of what they might have done with my corpse if you know what I mean Roll. Ebil Pirate.

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Octoven
Stellar Production
#982 - 2013-11-11 20:30:30 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
I agree with both of the above posts from Dracvlad and Jandice Ymladri.

Here's a question for Octoven:

With hindsight being such a wonderful thing and all at which point do you think many of the customers involved thought "this is going be finished by CCP in the next 10 minutes and I'm not going to make it I'll just make for home"?

There was no direct communication of a timeline i.e. it will only last one hour or orders or any information aside from what trickled through from other channels and yes, while most of us hold true to the mantra 'trust no one in EVE' we kept going while trying to confirm the information through 3 separate "special" channels along with Local and then when "Event Finished" was confirmed we all made for home in 10% TiDi no less and from 2 jumps out of Shedoo so still in Hi-Sec and I was in staging system (Sarum Prime and then next door after relog due to audio issues from the start). I personally lost nothing IG (not even my "Loss Fit" Drake and blank clone) so please bear in mind that this isn't a tear post or a HTFU\Learn to PvP Better or anything of that sort.


The goal of the event was to reach each of the pirate facilities. Common sense says that if the NPC leader reaches the facility and attacks and destroys...or his fleet wipes, its game over. If you are 4 jumps behind the primary CCP fleet and under 10% TiDi thats roughly what....20 minutes at best travel time. Plenty of time to take down a bloody flimsy pirate structure don't you think? I formed up in Sarum and when the tweet went out to mobilize to Ihal, I followed it. I never waited for conformation of information.

As a result I arrived in Ihal around 18:47 which is the same time I joined the coordinator fleet. The coordinator formed fleet in that system, and posted in fleet chat 19:14 that we would move out at 19:20. I was screaming in the events channel to move to Ihal and still had people going no...I refuse to move till CCP tells me in game.

At 20:22 he stated "Alright, I think there's enough of us now." I don't know about you mate, but that is usually a clue to me they have begun engaging the facility. Typically if you are 4 jumps out you are NOT going to make it in time. If you are further you still wouldnt.

RVB was engaging the goonies in Doril which was 3 out I think? When I spoke to someone in RVB they said they engaged to make room for the 5-6 fleets that were 3-4 jumps behind THEM. If you follow the timeline then it is usually an indicator that the event will be over before you get there. They aren't going to hang around for 3 hours waiting on people who refused to move to ihal when they should have and instead stayed in Sarum...having fore knowledge that we WOULD be heading toward Utopia which was 28ish jumps from Sarum to begin with.

Yes there was some communication and organizational issues, but judging from the reaction of those in the coordinator fleet, they honestly had no ******* clue what was going on and that only made the issue worse. The worst part of this was the FC was giving detailed commands, but people were so busy spamming...whoa man this TiDi is trippy and too excited to STFU enough to see commands so they got left behind and pissed when they got there and it was over.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#983 - 2013-11-11 20:39:25 UTC
Octoven wrote:
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
I agree with both of the above posts from Dracvlad and Jandice Ymladri.

Here's a question for Octoven:

With hindsight being such a wonderful thing and all at which point do you think many of the customers involved thought "this is going be finished by CCP in the next 10 minutes and I'm not going to make it I'll just make for home"?

There was no direct communication of a timeline i.e. it will only last one hour or orders or any information aside from what trickled through from other channels and yes, while most of us hold true to the mantra 'trust no one in EVE' we kept going while trying to confirm the information through 3 separate "special" channels along with Local and then when "Event Finished" was confirmed we all made for home in 10% TiDi no less and from 2 jumps out of Shedoo so still in Hi-Sec and I was in staging system (Sarum Prime and then next door after relog due to audio issues from the start). I personally lost nothing IG (not even my "Loss Fit" Drake and blank clone) so please bear in mind that this isn't a tear post or a HTFU\Learn to PvP Better or anything of that sort.


The goal of the event was to reach each of the pirate facilities. Common sense says that if the NPC leader reaches the facility and attacks and destroys...or his fleet wipes, its game over. If you are 4 jumps behind the primary CCP fleet and under 10% TiDi thats roughly what....20 minutes at best travel time. Plenty of time to take down a bloody flimsy pirate structure don't you think? I formed up in Sarum and when the tweet went out to mobilize to Ihal, I followed it. I never waited for conformation of information.

As a result I arrived in Ihal around 18:47 which is the same time I joined the coordinator fleet. The coordinator formed fleet in that system, and posted in fleet chat 19:14 that we would move out at 19:20. I was screaming in the events channel to move to Ihal and still had people going no...I refuse to move till CCP tells me in game.

At 20:22 he stated "Alright, I think there's enough of us now." I don't know about you mate, but that is usually a clue to me they have begun engaging the facility. Typically if you are 4 jumps out you are NOT going to make it in time. If you are further you still wouldnt.

RVB was engaging the goonies in Doril which was 3 out I think? When I spoke to someone in RVB they said they engaged to make room for the 5-6 fleets that were 3-4 jumps behind THEM. If you follow the timeline then it is usually an indicator that the event will be over before you get there. They aren't going to hang around for 3 hours waiting on people who refused to move to ihal when they should have and instead stayed in Sarum...having fore knowledge that we WOULD be heading toward Utopia which was 28ish jumps from Sarum to begin with.

Yes there was some communication and organizational issues, but judging from the reaction of those in the coordinator fleet, they honestly had no ******* clue what was going on and that only made the issue worse. The worst part of this was the FC was giving detailed commands, but people were so busy spamming...whoa man this TiDi is trippy and too excited to STFU enough to see commands so they got left behind and pissed when they got there and it was over.


It's great that you can lay out the timeline after the event but with the spam and chatter etc I personally never saw any of that as stated was bumped to Irnal due to relog after audio issues. So when official comms are being passed over and then relayed to others etc how much time delay do you think that involves.

As I said in a post above this "wasn't communicated clearly at all and there should've been a new channel (possibly called "Sarum Prime Fleet LE) created with gagging for everyone not an RPG FC\CCP Dev\ISD or whoever was running the show. Another for Meves etc etc. I saw X's up in all three channels I joined every second if not more than once a second along with the Amarr market scams and stuff going on it was complete chaos."

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Elfi Wolfe
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#984 - 2013-11-11 20:40:18 UTC
Here is a nice blog / news about this.

http://aurora-arcology.blogspot.be/2013/11/capsuleers-respond-en-masse-to-call-for.html

"Please point to the place on the doll where the carebear touched you."
Octoven
Stellar Production
#985 - 2013-11-11 20:40:52 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
Octoven wrote:
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
I agree with both of the above posts from Dracvlad and Jandice Ymladri.

Here's a question for Octoven:

With hindsight being such a wonderful thing and all at which point do you think many of the customers involved thought "this is going be finished by CCP in the next 10 minutes and I'm not going to make it I'll just make for home"?

There was no direct communication of a timeline i.e. it will only last one hour or orders or any information aside from what trickled through from other channels and yes, while most of us hold true to the mantra 'trust no one in EVE' we kept going while trying to confirm the information through 3 separate "special" channels along with Local and then when "Event Finished" was confirmed we all made for home in 10% TiDi no less and from 2 jumps out of Shedoo so still in Hi-Sec and I was in staging system (Sarum Prime and then next door after relog due to audio issues from the start). I personally lost nothing IG (not even my "Loss Fit" Drake and blank clone) so please bear in mind that this isn't a tear post or a HTFU\Learn to PvP Better or anything of that sort.


The goal of the event was to reach each of the pirate facilities. Common sense says that if the NPC leader reaches the facility and attacks and destroys...or his fleet wipes, its game over. If you are 4 jumps behind the primary CCP fleet and under 10% TiDi thats roughly what....20 minutes at best travel time. Plenty of time to take down a bloody flimsy pirate structure don't you think? I formed up in Sarum and when the tweet went out to mobilize to Ihal, I followed it. I never waited for conformation of information.

As a result I arrived in Ihal around 18:47 which is the same time I joined the coordinator fleet. The coordinator formed fleet in that system, and posted in fleet chat 19:14 that we would move out at 19:20. I was screaming in the events channel to move to Ihal and still had people going no...I refuse to move till CCP tells me in game.

At 20:22 he stated "Alright, I think there's enough of us now." I don't know about you mate, but that is usually a clue to me they have begun engaging the facility. Typically if you are 4 jumps out you are NOT going to make it in time. If you are further you still wouldnt.

RVB was engaging the goonies in Doril which was 3 out I think? When I spoke to someone in RVB they said they engaged to make room for the 5-6 fleets that were 3-4 jumps behind THEM. If you follow the timeline then it is usually an indicator that the event will be over before you get there. They aren't going to hang around for 3 hours waiting on people who refused to move to ihal when they should have and instead stayed in Sarum...having fore knowledge that we WOULD be heading toward Utopia which was 28ish jumps from Sarum to begin with.

Yes there was some communication and organizational issues, but judging from the reaction of those in the coordinator fleet, they honestly had no ******* clue what was going on and that only made the issue worse. The worst part of this was the FC was giving detailed commands, but people were so busy spamming...whoa man this TiDi is trippy and too excited to STFU enough to see commands so they got left behind and pissed when they got there and it was over.


It's great that you can lay out the timeline after the event but with the spam and chatter etc I personally never saw any of that as stated was bumped to Irnal due to relog after audio issues. So when official comms are being passed over and then relayed to others etc how much time delay do you think that involves.

As I said in a post above this "wasn't communicated clearly at all and there should've been a new channel (possibly called "Sarum Prime Fleet LE) created with gagging for everyone not an RPG FC\CCP Dev\ISD or whoever was running the show. Another for Meves etc etc. I saw X's up in all three channels I joined every second if not more than once a second along with the Amarr market scams and stuff going on it was complete chaos."


Did you also notice people offing fleet members? We had several in fleet popping friendlies too.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#986 - 2013-11-11 20:46:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
@Octoven:

Also "I formed up in Sarum and when the tweet went out to mobilize to Ihal" now I'm sorry but correct me if I'm wrong but watching:

1) Live Events IG Channel
2) Intergalactic Summits IG Channel
3) Fleet Chat
4) Local Chat
5) Out of Character Channel (had to go through my Chat Log file for that name!)
6) Private convos organising fleet

And I didn't use Twitter...how stupid of me. Are you really going to use that against me as an excuse for this mismanagement when I had all of the above going on along with actually piloting\trying to stop my ship getting ganked en-route and TS going in my ear?

Come on mate cut me some slack as I think I did everything I possibly could for myself and my fleet mates to be part of this "event".

EDIT:

I didn't see any Blue-on-Blue but it wouldn't surprise me but I was prepared to take the risk as it comes with an ad-hoc fleet and I accepted that risk.

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Octoven
Stellar Production
#987 - 2013-11-11 20:49:17 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
@Octoven:

Also "I formed up in Sarum and when the tweet went out to mobilize to Ihal" now I'm sorry but correct me if I'm wrong but watching:

1) Live Events IG Channel
2) Intergalactic Summits IG Channel
3) Fleet Chat
4) Local Chat
5) Out of Character Channel (had to go through my Chat Log file for that name!)
6) Private convos organising fleet

And I didn't use Twitter...how stupid of me. Are you really going to use that against me as an excuse for this mismanagement when I had all of the above going on along with actually pilotting\trying to stop my ship getting ganked en-route and TS going in my ear?

Come on mate.


Absolutely not; however, when someone in those channels says there is a tweet about moving to Ihal, you could at least take all of about 5 seconds to look to confirm it was indeed from eve twitter. I noticed at least 3 channels that not only posted the exact text of the tweets, but also posted the link to the tweet in channel too. Just click, read, close in game browser and move.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#988 - 2013-11-11 20:52:04 UTC
Elfi Wolfe wrote:
Here is a nice blog / news about this.

http://aurora-arcology.blogspot.be/2013/11/capsuleers-respond-en-masse-to-call-for.html


Yeah I've read that and although well written it slants towards an IC view. I'm trying to present a crystal clear view of what my and others issues\complaints are without confusing them with RPG. No offence and hope that makes sense.

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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#989 - 2013-11-11 20:52:43 UTC
Sounds like all you really should have needed was for EVE Voice to be working properly.

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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#990 - 2013-11-11 20:54:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
Octoven wrote:
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
@Octoven:

Also "I formed up in Sarum and when the tweet went out to mobilize to Ihal" now I'm sorry but correct me if I'm wrong but watching:

1) Live Events IG Channel
2) Intergalactic Summits IG Channel
3) Fleet Chat
4) Local Chat
5) Out of Character Channel (had to go through my Chat Log file for that name!)
6) Private convos organising fleet

And I didn't use Twitter...how stupid of me. Are you really going to use that against me as an excuse for this mismanagement when I had all of the above going on along with actually pilotting\trying to stop my ship getting ganked en-route and TS going in my ear?

Come on mate.


Absolutely not; however, when someone in those channels says there is a tweet about moving to Ihal, you could at least take all of about 5 seconds to look to confirm it was indeed from eve twitter. I noticed at least 3 channels that not only posted the exact text of the tweets, but also posted the link to the tweet in channel too. Just click, read, close in game browser and move.


Didn't know IGB did Twitter but I was en-route to Ihal and had hooked up to Twitter when I realised where the info was coming from and then (I did post up but there's been so many that I was 2 jumps from Shedoo) it was classed as officially over.

EDIT:

Don't have a stroke that someone who attended this "Carebear" Live "Event" knows DOTLAN Blink

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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#991 - 2013-11-11 20:56:31 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
With respect there was so much spam and misinformation, especially in local, that it would be impossible to prioritise which deserved the time spent checking.

The test server works very well on singularity, when it has a dedicated channel that locks,so the dev can give clear instructions.
The idea proposed by maximus i believe? sorry if i'm wrong -to have dedicated channels in the live events is very good and would solve many of the communications issues.
As it was Even without deliberate spam just the sheer volume of people confused, lost and otherwise chatting does not work with large numbers as the event showed.

He had a good idea, will help no end.

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Octoven
Stellar Production
#992 - 2013-11-11 21:01:25 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
With respect there was so much spam and misinformation, especially in local, that it would be impossible to prioritise which deserved the time spent checking.

The test server works very well on singularity, when it has a dedicated channel that locks,so the dev can give clear instructions.
The idea proposed by maximus i believe? sorry if i'm wrong -to have dedicated channels in the live events is very good and would solve many of the communications issues.
As it was Even without deliberate spam just the sheer volume of people confused, lost and otherwise chatting does not work with large numbers as the event showed.

He had a good idea, will help no end.


Well....that is fine for testing purposes because it isn't actual game play. I surmise the majority of people in channels spamming and shooting friendlies was because they wanted to disrupt and ruin the event. Lets face it, eve players are dicks like that. It may be frustrating, but to lock chats to allow only CCP to dictate who can speak and who cant destroys this opportunity to wreck an event. We may think that isn't a big deal, but in a sandbox game where you can literally do ANYTHING...it rather is.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#993 - 2013-11-11 21:07:43 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Octoven wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
With respect there was so much spam and misinformation, especially in local, that it would be impossible to prioritise which deserved the time spent checking.

The test server works very well on singularity, when it has a dedicated channel that locks,so the dev can give clear instructions.
The idea proposed by maximus i believe? sorry if i'm wrong -to have dedicated channels in the live events is very good and would solve many of the communications issues.
As it was Even without deliberate spam just the sheer volume of people confused, lost and otherwise chatting does not work with large numbers as the event showed.

He had a good idea, will help no end.


Well....that is fine for testing purposes because it isn't actual game play. I surmise the majority of people in channels spamming and shooting friendlies was because they wanted to disrupt and ruin the event. Lets face it, eve players are dicks like that. It may be frustrating, but to lock chats to allow only CCP to dictate who can speak and who cant destroys this opportunity to wreck an event. We may think that isn't a big deal, but in a sandbox game where you can literally do ANYTHING...it rather is.

Ok I understand your point, but as we saw disrupting a live event, may have been fun for some, but it did'nt do anything for the live event itself other than making it even more chaotic,and it was that even without help.
I am not sure if a live event can even occur when there is so much interference?
No problem having local open, and infiltrating a fleet and awoxing it. Sowing confusion through other channels etc.
But a channel for ccp to issue instructions that cannot be compromised is I feel a requirement for an event
I respect you may disagree.

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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#994 - 2013-11-11 21:08:20 UTC
Octoven wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
With respect there was so much spam and misinformation, especially in local, that it would be impossible to prioritise which deserved the time spent checking.

The test server works very well on singularity, when it has a dedicated channel that locks,so the dev can give clear instructions.
The idea proposed by maximus i believe? sorry if i'm wrong -to have dedicated channels in the live events is very good and would solve many of the communications issues.
As it was Even without deliberate spam just the sheer volume of people confused, lost and otherwise chatting does not work with large numbers as the event showed.

He had a good idea, will help no end.


Well....that is fine for testing purposes because it isn't actual game play. I surmise the majority of people in channels spamming and shooting friendlies was because they wanted to disrupt and ruin the event. Lets face it, eve players are dicks like that. It may be frustrating, but to lock chats to allow only CCP to dictate who can speak and who cant destroys this opportunity to wreck an event. We may think that isn't a big deal, but in a sandbox game where you can literally do ANYTHING...it rather is.


In fact it's not too much to ask to have clear and concise information if you are hosting and advertising a "Unique...never to be repeated" IG Event or that it should be in a dedicated channel. CCP were leading us to the slaughter that it turned out to be anyway but I'm sure if the Null Bloc really used their heads they would've cut the disruption and let us keep on coming...more kills to take from the CCP driven turkey shoot that this event was and I'm sure it would've blown them through the roof (not that this is my issue TBH as I lost nothing IG wise).

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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#995 - 2013-11-11 21:10:21 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
Octoven wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
With respect there was so much spam and misinformation, especially in local, that it would be impossible to prioritise which deserved the time spent checking.

The test server works very well on singularity, when it has a dedicated channel that locks,so the dev can give clear instructions.
The idea proposed by maximus i believe? sorry if i'm wrong -to have dedicated channels in the live events is very good and would solve many of the communications issues.
As it was Even without deliberate spam just the sheer volume of people confused, lost and otherwise chatting does not work with large numbers as the event showed.

He had a good idea, will help no end.


Well....that is fine for testing purposes because it isn't actual game play. I surmise the majority of people in channels spamming and shooting friendlies was because they wanted to disrupt and ruin the event. Lets face it, eve players are dicks like that. It may be frustrating, but to lock chats to allow only CCP to dictate who can speak and who cant destroys this opportunity to wreck an event. We may think that isn't a big deal, but in a sandbox game where you can literally do ANYTHING...it rather is.


In fact it's not too much to ask to have clear and concise information if you are hosting and advertising a "Unique...never to be repeated" IG Event or that it should be in a dedicated channel. CCP were leading us to the slaughter that it turned out to be anyway but I'm sure if the Null Bloc really used their heads they would've cut the disruption and let us keep on coming...more kills to take from the CCP driven turkey shoot that this event was and I'm sure it would've blown them through the roof (not that this is my issue TBH as I lost nothing IG wise).


To clarify and prevent the usual, I also lost Nothing, I was ready to.I came to see what there was to see and did not expect to come back intact.
I agree, If communications were better, they would have been able to exterminate far far more of us.

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Drakast
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#996 - 2013-11-11 21:13:50 UTC
brilliant move by CCP, +1

As i am sure they will confirm. EVERYTHING went as planned.

all part of the storyline, they will tell you.

every pilot who went out on this doomed fleet is going to be a lore hero,

i would not be surprised if you find a floating monument with all the names of the pilots who died on that fateful fleet anchored in space right after downtime on the 19th of this month.

rubicon is coming and if your p*ssing and moaning about this your going to have a full on fit when the heavy crap arrives. new dynamic system security ...hisec shrinking, exploding losec incursions faction navies ignore the cries of victims shouting for justice. and so much more. save your tears and your rage for whats coming.

as to why CCP has kept silent, they dont need to say anything your all doing it for them. Be happy Be proud you were there. for every winner there has to be losers and guess what this time it was you lot, next time.....you decide.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#997 - 2013-11-11 21:23:52 UTC
Drakast wrote:
brilliant move by CCP, +1

As i am sure they will confirm. EVERYTHING went as planned.

all part of the storyline, they will tell you.

every pilot who went out on this doomed fleet is going to be a lore hero,

i would not be surprised if you find a floating monument with all the names of the pilots who died on that fateful fleet anchored in space right after downtime on the 19th of this month.

rubicon is coming and if your p*ssing and moaning about this your going to have a full on fit when the heavy crap arrives. new dynamic system security ...hisec shrinking, exploding losec incursions faction navies ignore the cries of victims shouting for justice. and so much more. save your tears and your rage for whats coming.

as to why CCP has kept silent, they dont need to say anything your all doing it for them. Be happy Be proud you were there. for every winner there has to be losers and guess what this time it was you lot, next time.....you decide.


Now tell me, oh informed one, what of those that tried their damnedest never had a chance to even be part of that "doomed fleet"? Out of IG reference what are you thoughts on any of the important customer\service related issues and complaints raised in this thread or even on the "tinfoil hattery" of the theories?

I'm curious to know your thoughts as I don't think you've read an ounce of what this thread is actually about I'm afraid and if I'm wrong then I apologise.

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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#998 - 2013-11-11 21:28:20 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Drakast wrote:
brilliant move by CCP, +1

As i am sure they will confirm. EVERYTHING went as planned.

all part of the storyline, they will tell you.

every pilot who went out on this doomed fleet is going to be a lore hero,

i would not be surprised if you find a floating monument with all the names of the pilots who died on that fateful fleet anchored in space right after downtime on the 19th of this month.

rubicon is coming and if your p*ssing and moaning about this your going to have a full on fit when the heavy crap arrives. new dynamic system security ...hisec shrinking, exploding losec incursions faction navies ignore the cries of victims shouting for justice. and so much more. save your tears and your rage for whats coming.

as to why CCP has kept silent, they dont need to say anything your all doing it for them. Be happy Be proud you were there. for every winner there has to be losers and guess what this time it was you lot, next time.....you decide.

you may be right on many of the coming changes, It will be certainly interesting, but for now the issues of trust and competence /Bias need to be addressed, as if they are not, the suspicion is that the tin hat theories may turn out to be more than that,and will be part of the structure for the future.

The thinking may be "we got away with that, time to really pile the pain on"

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Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#999 - 2013-11-11 21:31:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
Drakast wrote:
new dynamic system security ...hisec shrinking, exploding losec incursions faction navies ignore the cries of victims shouting for justice. and so much more. save your tears and your rage for whats coming.


I've seen none of the above advertised as part of the Rubicon expansion but I have seen suggestions in F&I and that's about it so would you mind posting a link to verify these claims as I'm more than a little curious.

EDIT:

Page 51 and still no CCP response or further update as to any intention on addressing their customers concerns despite appeasing the Null Bloc when they shafted them in Z9PP with multiple apologies and a full report in under 2 hours. Disgraceful CCP and you should be ashamed right now that this is how you treat some of your customer base.

I may like to add that I have been financially supporting CCP for 10 years through my subscription (never PLEX'd) which has now been cancelled on all accounts. Whether I resubscribe or not is based on their response in the next few days as I believe I have been fair and justified in waiting that long for an answer to my complaints, issues and concerns regarding CCPs conduct, values and competence in this regard.

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#1000 - 2013-11-11 21:48:41 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
Drakast wrote:
new dynamic system security ...hisec shrinking, exploding losec incursions faction navies ignore the cries of victims shouting for justice. and so much more. save your tears and your rage for whats coming.


I've seen none of the above advertised as part of the Rubicon expansion but I have seen suggestions in F&I and that's about it so would you mind posting a link to verify these claims as I'm more than a little curious.

EDIT:

Page 51 and still no CCP response or further update as to any intention on addressing their customers concerns despite appeasing the Null Bloc when they shafted them in Z9PP with multiple apologies and a full report in under 2 hours. Disgraceful CCP and you should be ashamed right now that this is how you treat some of your customer base.

I may like to add that I have been financially supporting CCP for 10 years through my subscription (never PLEX'd) which has now been cancelled on all accounts. Whether I resubscribe or not is based on their response in the next few days as I believe I have been fair and justified in waiting that long for an answer to my complaints, issues and concerns regarding CCPs conduct, values and competence in this regard.


To be more accurate, your subscription is costing more using PLEX...only you aren't paying cash for it, someone else is.