Live Events Discussion

Ok just a WH scanning alt popping in to let you HiSec types know that even the line from Nullsec "this is what we face every day in Null" is as you may suspect, total BS.

They do not every day in Null line up for 23 jumps. They whined and complained when that happen so now they don't have to actually fly anymore, they bridge. Only HiSec has to jump 23 jumps to get somewhere and have their fleet arrive at different times.

They do not every day even face blowing up. Most are in large Null Sec cartels renting from "the man", fattening the elites wallets and kept safe by said cartel also. Those that do PvP typically do so only when the odds favor them and/or they can pile in in huge numbers to overwhelm and blob out the enemy, press F1 when the FC tells them to and then get their ship reimbursed. Hence they do experience a lot of timelag if they are in a large cartel. That is about the only thing in common about their experience and yours in the event you joined. It's really nothing for them to brag about which is perhaps why most of them feel the need to put you down.

There are some large cartels that know every aspect of PvP, like PL but good luck ever getting in to one like that with newbie skill points.

Did Nullsec have to face a lot of danger or trouble to get to the gatecamp of this event? No they spent a couple minutes to get there and bubble up the gate and shot you in the big turkey shot. They had a few minutes to travel and a lot of warning. You had a few hours. They have sovereignty in the system you travel to, and all the ships you can't bring from hisec because they aren't allowed there and the bubbles you probably don't know how to use because they aren't allowed in hisec.

Oh and next on Mythbusters we will address the myth of how unsafe WH's are. They aren't that bad either if you know what you are doing (yes it may take a bit to learn what you are doing). My main never died once in Wormhole PVE and only died in PvP having fun mostly by choice. Yes your tower will come under attack eventually and you may lose it (once a year for us) but hey, keeps it from being boring.

The big sin of HiSec players, and the reason you will be forced into null is because you do not work for a large nullsec cartel and thus are not spending your free time fattening the wallets or paying the home mortgages of a few players in control of those cartels and those cartels have the ears of CCP.

Welcome to Eve, I hope it gets better. On the bright side if CCP has half a brain they recognize players are hungry for good events and content and maybe devote some time effort and thought to them instead of endless boring rebalancing masquerading as excuses for content. Of course for people to trust live events again from CCP they ought to show they are sincere by firing whoever planned this one. And no I don't think we have to coddle CCP by worrying about their dear little feelings "oh noes they may never do another live event again if we don't like this one". It's their game, and they can chose to trash it if they want by continuing their current course.

Yes CCP, HTFU. Get better. Stop making excuses. When I read about this event I felt like OMG cat. Hire or transfer someone to do this right after showing you are serious by firing whoever planned this one. Maybe the next person planning events will pay attention finally if this one gets fired.

And this once again WAS NOT THE ISSUE
Learn to read.

The issue was that CCP's 'Live Event' was anything but an Event.
The mighty four empires that the capsuleers were supposed to assist provided a massive.... 4 HIC's to the entire operation. One of which then bubbled a high sec fleet at a gate camp which killed most of said fleet... wtf ccp!
The rest of the high sec fleets did not get given time to even get to the target systems since CCP jumped ahead, attacked the null sec fleets solo, died vs the Pirate BS Live Event actors who then shot it out with the null sec cartels after shiny killboards from all the isk value of the hulls. Then CCP declared pirates the winners before the high sec fleets could even get there.

I don't know how many times we are going to have to say this before it finally sinks into null sec brains, we aren't complaining about dying, we are complaining about the fact CCP promoted a live event then mismanaged it in about the most spectacular way possible not even giving people who were organised & on time the ability to take part.

Eh, thought I'd weigh in as so many other people are, to offer a new player prospective on all this rageposting. I'm a new player, about 35 days into the game now.

Skip this part if you just want to get the point, just providing background for my perspective:
Trying to learn whatever I can about the game I've looked through the forums, various EVE related news websites, etc. Started watching Mad Ani's twitch channel to see what the big time PvP looked like as I like PvP in most games, but figured out pretty quick from reading the forums I'd wait to delve too deep into in this one, cause there is no cheap and easy way to get into it that won't just automatically end in you getting "pwnd" repeatedly by someone you never stood a chance against at some point, be it a gate camp, or just some guy who hangs out around FW sites looking for easy kills. Any other MMO I can go and PvP and stand a decent chance WoW, guildwars, TOR, LoTRO, what have you, name it I've probably played it, and pvp'd in them all. While I haven't always excelled I at least could say I took someone with me every time I died. I realized instantly with EVE this wasn't the case, so decided to stay out of it until I have the money to burn on what looks like a very steap and expensive learning curve. I ain't the type to play the buy 50 rifters and go nutts game. Falling repeatedly on your face to learn something, great, if that works for you, that's fine, to each his own.

Three to four days a week I unload trucks for a major retail corporation that has a big K in it, the rest of the time I do online ad support. I'm the guy who gets to go around to sites and check to make sure they have the sites in the proper places, are up to date, aren't being spoofed by IP scammers, etc. It's mind numbing but helps to pay the bills. So I took to playing MMO's on the other monitors. Doesn't work with most MMO's, but EvE, every aspect of it is pretty slow by comparison. You can multi-task just about anything, **** watching footage of multiple 10% tidi major scraps in null, I could probably make dinner during one of them. I'm not so sure that Titan pilot from the other night who was being bumped repeatedly was even at keys for most of it honestly. Why would he bother? So I missioned, salvaged, did some exploration, and then realized to get 600m together for a PLEX, or even enough money to get some of the ships I've been looking at and the components I want in them what I was doing wouldn't cut it. So I mine. 10 mil an hour ain't much, but hey it pays the monthly rent in about 12 5 hour stretches, and while missions may be viable at higher ranks, it doesn't pay anything at level 1-3. Not even enough to keep upgrading your ships unless you're into flying around in T1 lunchbox setups. So you'll see me mining away in hi-sec, if you see me at all (I picked a backwater system to avoid gankers) for long stretches as I do my ad duties and wait for skills to level up. Weirdest leveling system I've ever seen btw, but I guess it works.

When I heard about the event I was going to go. I'd seen live events in other MMO's, and while not all of them run smoothly (honestly most don't), they're usually something you want to say you were a part of, or there's some unique loot or what have you that comes from it. Then someone in mad ani's channel (I think it was Mad Ani's anyways) said: Don't trust CCP, just don't do it. I realized I had only planned to take some cheaply fit Tristan or Algos along anyways (I dig the drone thing) and probably wouldn't have gotten any decent loot, and so I skipped it to see if the dude was right.

When I heard about it later, well I was just thinking I wanted to thank that guy, but hadn't bothered to keep track of his name. If you're reading this, thanks brother. I imagine it was fun for the gate campers, or at least something to break the boredom for them, and I'm sure even some of the people who got shot without having a chance to shoot back will say they enjoyed it, and they even may have, but me? I would have been pissed at the two hours to get to that. If you want to kill me, fine, just do it, don't be sadistic about it. Two hour TiDi crawl going in? Then the CCP official responses to it afterwards? Jeez, salt in the wounds much? But then again, I never intend to pay for this game, as they've made it perfectly reasonable to play for free, so I can't complain too much. I'm just putting my two cents in cause it's 4 AM, I can't sleep and the page I'm trying to check has the worst coding in the history of the internet.

My only question I'd like to see answered, but never will - at least a real answer, is why CCP wanted to troll it's player base? Or at least like this. I've seen Blizzard and other producers troll their player base, but never in a way that actually cost them both time and money, which are really what all MMOs are about in the end. Sure you have fun, enjoy yourself, get your mind off work the daily grind, but in the end your investing time and money (well not me except for the first 14.99, but I imagine some pay). So bottom line, skipping this massive wall of text:

So my perspective:
CCP trolled it's player base. Those of us who care enough to put in our two cents, or are just terminally bored, will write about it. In the end doubt CCP will care much if they are anything like most MMO producers. Do they need to fix live events? Why? The only way this event could have ended was how it ended with the way they set it up, so that must be how they wanted it to so it was successful. Or they are more of a noob than someones whose been playing this game for about 35 days. It's now how I'd run an MMO, but hey it's free, and you get what you pay for.

Sorry for the lengthy post peeps. Back to the ragefest. (If this double posted, sorry, first time post in these forums)

Fixed....you know I know you are in wormhole space, I am not sure if you accidentally proposed the idea that Doril, Jorund, or RMOC-W were under player sov or if you deliberately did it to prove a point. I would hope it was accidental, because any serious intent would certainly force me to disavow your comments for lack of fact.

I know this is probably feeding you, but let me put things simply.

People are complaining because they feel they have a reason to complain.
More people are complaining because more people are annoyed.
More people have lost trust and faith than ever before.
More people will leave than ever before.
Fewer people will be left to complain.
Will you be happy then?

Is that simple enough to understand?

hopefully CCP will be able to understand and respond effectively in time.

Holy crap.

If that's true,

They are going to miss all that.

Anyway, Too Late, They had their time to answer.

They could not even be bothered with a holding statement.

I can no longer support a company that treats it's customers in such a cavalier fashion.
I will use up my remaining game time, and then i'm out of here.

Mind if I have your items ingame then?

Fair enough

There are so many questions here to CCP and no real answers.

Do you just not care about the 1000+ posts in several threads about this event?

The majority of people are asking for a simple explanation as to what was supposed to happen
versus what did happen.

We have been patient in awaiting your reply, but it seems a simple yes, no or don't care
was too much to ask.

Was it your intention to basically apease the gods of nullsec by a mass capsuleer sacrifice?

Did you feel that hisec was just a bit too crowded, or was there some other ulterior motive?

Did you really not think the whole event through, or was this planned by someone who had no
clue about how anything in EVE works?

Was this the action of a rogue CCP employee?

If you only care about saving face and/or denying there ever was any reason for these posts
then people will start to let you know how they really feel, by leaving.

Once you have upset everyone in hisec, you can turn every region into nullsec and just have
sov wars, so much easier, then everyone knows where they stand.

I would like to quote a line from Al Pacino in Dog Day Afternoon, but it would probably get
the whole post deleted. So I will just say this:

Thursday 07/Nov/2013 - Beginning Of The END.