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Octoven
Stellar Production
#901 - 2013-11-10 18:11:29 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Oh, and BTW folks, for those wondering why CCP is taking so long to respond to this debacle, you must cut them some slack.
You know it is the weekend, and they have much more important things to do.

You know, like how SEVEN CCP dev's are guest-spotting on a panel hosting a null sec PvP tourney that caters to about 150 null sec pilots, on THE TEST SINGULARITY SERVER, USING THE RUBICON CHANGES.

You know, have to keep your priorities straight.



Well to be fair, I wouldn't expect them to post on this situation on the weekend no matter what they were doing. Posting on forums is what they do during work hours. Unless the server was going down every few seconds and could not stay live...and then id expect weekend work lol Feedback just doesn't qualify as an emergency scenario though.
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#902 - 2013-11-10 18:25:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Dracvlad
Sorry guys I have to say something with all this talk about desubbing.

First of all this was incompetence, but also one has to look at the issue around these events being over-subscribed, one of the issues was that the nodes appears not to have been reinforced which is of course poor planning on their part. CCP need to confirm whether they were reinforced or not.

The location of the mustering system was incompetent, it was obvious that these events do have a large following, so placing this so far from the target systems was plain stupid. CCP need to apologise for that. Most people are quite rightly upset about jumping around in 10% TiDi for hours and not arriving at the location of the event before it ended. This is the issue!

In terms of the location of the event and the Curse one being next to the CFC staging systems, this is incompetence, however there is a perceived slant by CCP to the 0.0 cartels, which makes it look and feel like a setup, perhaps CCP should think about explaining the decision around the location of the Curse event, knowing that the CFC was deployed there. Even with the CCP slant towards 0.0 entities, I cannot believe or accept that this was a setup by CCP, it makes no sense whatsoever to do that to what is a major part of their customer base.

Also the secrecy and lack of communication may be explained by the fact that certain 0.0 entities go out of their way to attack these events, I need to point out that this is a very major issue for anyone planning events.

My conclusion was that it was a major error on the part of CCP in execution and planning.


Also there are a number of 0.0 players on this thread throwing oil onto the fire, some of them really need to step away from this because any reasonable person can see that there was a valid issue with this event and it is not tears over lost ships.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#903 - 2013-11-10 18:31:51 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Sorry guys I have to say something with all this talk about desubbing.

First of all this was incompetence, but also one has to look at the issue around these events being over-subscribed, one of the issues was that the nodes appears not to have been reinforced which is of course poor planning on their part. CCP need to confirm whether they were reinforced or not.

The location of the mustering system was incompetent, it was obvious that these events do have a large following, so placing this so far from the target systems was plain stupid. CCP need to apologise for that. Most people are quite rightly upset about jumping around in 10% TiDi for hours and not arriving at the location of the event before it ended. This is the issue!

In terms of the location of the event and the Curse one being next to the CFC staging systems, this is incompetence, however there is a perceived slant by CCP to the 0.0 cartels, which makes it look and feel like a setup, perhaps CCP should think about explaining the decision around the location of the Curse event, knowing that the CFC was deployed there. Even with the CCP slant towards 0.0 entities, I cannot believe or accept that this was a setup by CCP, it makes no sense whatsoever to do that to what is a major part of their customer base.

Also the secrecy and lack of communication may be explained by the fact that certain 0.0 entities go out of their way to attack these events.

My conclusion was that it was a major error on the part of CCP in execution and planning.


Also there are a number of 0.0 players on this thread throwing oil onto the fire, some of them really need to step away from this because any reasonable person can see that there was a valid issue with this event and it is not tears over lost ships.


Thanks, nice clear post. i really hope it proves to be just incompetence, and I agree we should give CCP. A chance to explain themselves, I enjoy this game, but being able to have some trust in the ethics of the companies I give my money to is far far more important.
I hope the concerns can be put to rest and we can move on.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#904 - 2013-11-10 18:33:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Maximus Aerelius
Dracvlad wrote:
Sorry guys I have to say something with all this talk about desubbing.

First of all this was incompetence, but also one has to look at the issue around these events being over-subscribed, one of the issues was that the nodes appears not to have been reinforced which is of course poor planning on their part. CCP need to confirm whether they were reinforced or not.

The location of the mustering system was incompetent, it was obvious that these events do have a large following, so placing this so far from the target systems was plain stupid. CCP need to apologise for that. Most people are quite rightly upset about jumping around in 10% TiDi for hours and not arriving at the location of the event before it ended. This is the issue!

In terms of the location of the event and the Curse one being next to the CFC staging systems, this is incompetence, however there is a perceived slant by CCP to the 0.0 cartels, which makes it look and feel like a setup, perhaps CCP should think about explaining the decision around the location of the Curse event, knowing that the CFC was deployed there. Even with the CCP slant towards 0.0 entities, I cannot believe or accept that this was a setup by CCP, it makes no sense whatsoever to do that to what is a major part of their customer base.

Also the secrecy and lack of communication may be explained by the fact that certain 0.0 entities go out of their way to attack these events.

My conclusion was that it was a major error on the part of CCP in execution and planning.

Also there are a number of 0.0 players on this thread throwing oil onto the fire, some of them really need to step away from this because any reasonable person can see that there was a valid issue with this event and it is not tears over lost ships.


A very good summary and thoughtful response as I have read many if not most of the posts. I've seen their (Null Bloc Players) thread when the node was turned of and can truly say if was a disaster but as you can see form the time line they got there apologies more than once within 2 hours and a full thread report and on a Thursday night the same day, a Thursday, as this "UNIQUE...never to be repeated" LIVE Event was scheduled for . Now that was just pixels that I could say "but it was also peoples RL time that they would've spent doing the same thing anyway" and be on my way.

It seems that CCP doesn't give the Hi-Sec community the same regard or level of service that the Null Blocs get. Plain and simple as you can see form the timeline on the Z9PP that I posted.

[b]Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station[/b] Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up!
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#905 - 2013-11-10 18:41:28 UTC
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
Dracvlad wrote:
Sorry guys I have to say something with all this talk about desubbing.

First of all this was incompetence, but also one has to look at the issue around these events being over-subscribed, one of the issues was that the nodes appears not to have been reinforced which is of course poor planning on their part. CCP need to confirm whether they were reinforced or not.

The location of the mustering system was incompetent, it was obvious that these events do have a large following, so placing this so far from the target systems was plain stupid. CCP need to apologise for that. Most people are quite rightly upset about jumping around in 10% TiDi for hours and not arriving at the location of the event before it ended. This is the issue!

In terms of the location of the event and the Curse one being next to the CFC staging systems, this is incompetence, however there is a perceived slant by CCP to the 0.0 cartels, which makes it look and feel like a setup, perhaps CCP should think about explaining the decision around the location of the Curse event, knowing that the CFC was deployed there. Even with the CCP slant towards 0.0 entities, I cannot believe or accept that this was a setup by CCP, it makes no sense whatsoever to do that to what is a major part of their customer base.

Also the secrecy and lack of communication may be explained by the fact that certain 0.0 entities go out of their way to attack these events.

My conclusion was that it was a major error on the part of CCP in execution and planning.

Also there are a number of 0.0 players on this thread throwing oil onto the fire, some of them really need to step away from this because any reasonable person can see that there was a valid issue with this event and it is not tears over lost ships.


A very good summary and thoughtful response as I have read many if not most of the posts. I've seen their tear thread when the node was turned of and can truly say if was a disaster but as you can see form the time line they got there apologies more than once within 2 hours and a full thread report. Now that was just pixels that I could say "but it was also peoples RL time that they would've spent doing the same thing anyway" and be on my way.

It seems that CCP doesn't give the Hi-Sec community the same regard or level of service that the Null Blocs get. Plain and simple as you can see form the timeline on the Z9PP that I posted.


I have to agree with you there, the mistype issue was a simple error and easy to take blame for, however this event is more complicated, I do however feel that they could say sorry for setting it up so that so many people ended up jumping over multiple systems for hours in 10% TiDi and therefore missed the event and I really cannot understand why CCP have not come out and said that

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp
Cornwalace
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#906 - 2013-11-10 19:36:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Cornwalace
Dear CCP,

You have live event tools that we, as players, have no access to if we were to make this successful.. We can create anything out of our imagination, but, are only limited to what a GM or Live Event coordinator finds "interesting" (ie the freighter filled with helium that destroyed a Sansha WH during that event).

Give us those tools. Allow us to properly create the 'scene' as it were, enveloping it into whatever Lore direction you want. Tell us where to go when we have the tools.

The clusterfuck that was this recent live event was a testament that you leave too much to the player, but, put the tools to do so, in the hands of someone with no real direction of how to take it. You, CCP, control the Empire (and faction) plots. This is why all the rage is against you. You guys muffled the line between being 'so meta', and actually following some sort of storyline in-game. We can do it, but, you guys dropped the ball in making this less meatshieldy and more interesting for a bulk of the players.

There was no direction, and I'd have happily lost my covops ship to null-sec if there was some sort of actual goal, instead of firing on what seemed to be an invulnerable object in space.

We'll leave the balancing to you. Give us live events.

All we need are the tools.
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#907 - 2013-11-10 20:18:41 UTC
No way, they will not give us any tools to do that. CCP does not like to share power.

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Darian en Chasteaux
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#908 - 2013-11-10 21:19:48 UTC
ArrowCool

To The New Player>>>

and everyone else for that matter...

it was as it was...I too was let down but I was here a year ago for 3 months and left and yes I would have had a sour taste in my mouth...

ans this is the very reason WHY, I dont just sit around and MAKE ISK:

http://www.twitch.tv/cdr_zeta

I STREAM ...but not only do I stream...I tell a story...I DONT SPOIL this game and I WARN about SPOILERS and believe me there are TONS of spoilers...so if New Players want to get spoilt then so be it....While I do agree with the most part and I understand the concerns here, I am not just sitting around idly browsing stuff like this...it is depressing

You VETs are bored cause there is no PvP and you go out an look for it; that is what you do...

Yes the CCP event so stated seemed I dont know what the word is...a ploy?

Wrongfully intended? I certainly hoped it was a hi-sec event...I was saddened...but look what I did (mind you I had a few months on me and good skills)...but I went in there like I was supposed to: PARTICIPATE.

Now you all go off and do something useful in Eve, dont complain and give constructive criticism and then do your own thing to make Eve whatever it is you want to make it...that is the 'Eve Forte' so leave it alone.

Darian Pirate
Louise Beethoven
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#909 - 2013-11-10 21:24:07 UTC
LMAO CCP leads high-sec carebears into a trap like lambs to the slaughter

Just hilarious and you can bet CCP are laughing too
Scuzzy Logic
Space Spuds
#910 - 2013-11-10 21:27:42 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:
Sorry guys I have to say something with all this talk about desubbing.

First of all this was incompetence, but also one has to look at the issue around these events being over-subscribed, one of the issues was that the nodes appears not to have been reinforced which is of course poor planning on their part. CCP need to confirm whether they were reinforced or not.

The location of the mustering system was incompetent, it was obvious that these events do have a large following, so placing this so far from the target systems was plain stupid. CCP need to apologise for that. Most people are quite rightly upset about jumping around in 10% TiDi for hours and not arriving at the location of the event before it ended. This is the issue!

In terms of the location of the event and the Curse one being next to the CFC staging systems, this is incompetence, however there is a perceived slant by CCP to the 0.0 cartels, which makes it look and feel like a setup, perhaps CCP should think about explaining the decision around the location of the Curse event, knowing that the CFC was deployed there. Even with the CCP slant towards 0.0 entities, I cannot believe or accept that this was a setup by CCP, it makes no sense whatsoever to do that to what is a major part of their customer base.

Also the secrecy and lack of communication may be explained by the fact that certain 0.0 entities go out of their way to attack these events, I need to point out that this is a very major issue for anyone planning events.

My conclusion was that it was a major error on the part of CCP in execution and planning.


Also there are a number of 0.0 players on this thread throwing oil onto the fire, some of them really need to step away from this because any reasonable person can see that there was a valid issue with this event and it is not tears over lost ships.


Quoting to increase the likelihood CCP will read this.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#911 - 2013-11-10 21:30:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Nevyn Auscent
Louise Beethoven wrote:
LMAO CCP leads high-sec carebears into a trap like lambs to the slaughter

Just hilarious and you can bet CCP are laughing too


And well done being ANOTHER PERSON MISSING THE POINT.

High sec rage (for the most part) is nothing to do with the fact we died. Heck, the FCORD fleet did a deliberate whelp to take as many as we could out on the way at the end.
High sec rage is about the fact that CCP gathered us for an epic live event, then trailed us around through TiDi, jumped ahead and started the event nearly an hour before most fleets actually made it through the TiDi to the target, and had declared the event over and the pirates won before we even got there.
I mean, WTF!

Just write a chronicle if that's going to be the event, then advertise a Dev run PvP roam whelp fleet instead into null sec.
Because 95% of the High Sec people did not get an event. That's over 2000 people who turned up for EVE Lore who got left hanging in the wind by CCP, while upstairs they were all laughing & partying to a live stream of the gate camps.
El Jin'meiko
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#912 - 2013-11-10 21:43:07 UTC  |  Edited by: El Jin'meiko
Ah well, everything went as I'd expected it to. I think that CCP often puts too much faith in the player base to get themselves organized, personally if I worked for CCP and I'd planned for an event like this I would have taken many steps towards an organized event to include thousands of players, concentrated on the public fleets organization by taking pages out of eve uni's book and having some sort of guest FC (You could easily give them a maxed out 'navy' character) with devs/isd taking up positions as other 'actor characters. The larger groups, i.e power blocs would organize themselves and wouldn't care if they all died but i'll tell you one thing, everyone would have enjoyed it a lot more with proper planning.

btw k.i.s.s is great but...

proper
planning
prevents
****
poor
performance

The better organized these events, the more fun and who knows, maybe one day a 10,000 player slugfest...

P.s don't listen to the dullbears or those ping-pvp-warriors, most wouldn't know their arse from their elbow and unless they are told what ship to fly in, which button to press and how to press it they are pretty harmless - oh hey, now theres an idea.....
Killerjock
Von Neumann Industries
#913 - 2013-11-10 22:15:20 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
I hope that rather than unsubscribing now that most will wait for CCPs reaction.
If satisfactory, then we can put it behind us and play on.


That was my plan but frankly? Every time there is a problem with the game and I want to say something, I have to fight through hordes of holier than thou people who expect me to explain and justify my choice to live and play in hisec.
I don't have to.

The fun thing is that, in my view, CCP had made a mistake. But listening to these guys, I'm starting to think maybe they did not; maybe I did.

Nullsec is endgame? I have been in RAZOR for about a month - no secrets, it's in my history.
I loved the company, the support and organization were incredible, and sure as hell you couldn't get bored. Nullsec was fun. I would tell anyone - go play with those guys.
But I can't live in null and be a factor, I'd be a deadweight. My eve-friends are still there, and I talk to them very rarely - because they are busy. Much as I'm sorry about that, I don't have that kind of time to spend on this game anymore.

If that means I should be playing hello kitty online, well **** you I'll go play HKO - I'm quite sure I can play that or the plethora of other nice games out there without having to fight to reaffirm my right to play however the **** I want.

And feel free to think your **** is 5 inches bigger than mine for that, lol.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#914 - 2013-11-10 22:29:58 UTC
Killerjock wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
I hope that rather than unsubscribing now that most will wait for CCPs reaction.
If satisfactory, then we can put it behind us and play on.


That was my plan but frankly? Every time there is a problem with the game and I want to say something, I have to fight through hordes of holier than thou people who expect me to explain and justify my choice to live and play in hisec.
I don't have to.

The fun thing is that, in my view, CCP had made a mistake. But listening to these guys, I'm starting to think maybe they did not; maybe I did.

Nullsec is endgame? I have been in RAZOR for about a month - no secrets, it's in my history.
I loved the company, the support and organization were incredible, and sure as hell you couldn't get bored. Nullsec was fun. I would tell anyone - go play with those guys.
But I can't live in null and be a factor, I'd be a deadweight. My eve-friends are still there, and I talk to them very rarely - because they are busy. Much as I'm sorry about that, I don't have that kind of time to spend on this game anymore.

If that means I should be playing hello kitty online, well **** you I'll go play HKO - I'm quite sure I can play that or the plethora of other nice games out there without having to fight to reaffirm my right to play however the **** I want.

And feel free to think your **** is 5 inches bigger than mine for that, lol.



Please wait until after the weekend, The nullsquawk does get to one, but there are only a few vocal imbiciles that spawn over everything.
They are not all the game or even the Majority, Most of the residents of any area of eve are intelligent, thoughtful people, I also have spent time in Null and the people I met were great people,All the blocks no matter how bad their reputation have many good people.There are those who in real life if they were not playing from prison or a mental hospital will be one day.no help for those just let them stay in the middle of the blue donut grring at each other while most of null gets on with the main game.
Let CCP answer, Hopefully they will give a good answer, and we can move on.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#915 - 2013-11-10 22:35:58 UTC
El Jin'meiko wrote:
Ah well, everything went as I'd expected it to. I think that CCP often puts too much faith in the player base to get themselves organized, personally if I worked for CCP and I'd planned for an event like this I would have taken many steps towards an organized event to include thousands of players, concentrated on the public fleets organization by taking pages out of eve uni's book and having some sort of guest FC (You could easily give them a maxed out 'navy' character) with devs/isd taking up positions as other 'actor characters.


That is spot on, IMHO.

Just remember the other side of the story too: there are an awful lot of players who are so disinterested or averse to the PvP lifestyle of lowsec and null sec that you could almost describe them as wilfully ignorant of PvP. Then there are the players who pretend to be informed and knowledgable about running fleets but couldn't organise a beer party in a brewery, have no idea about managing difficult team members, and assume that shouting louder is the way to get things done. Then there are the players who abrogate their responsibility, or transfer their responsibility to the fool they choose to follow.

What do you do about those kinds of players when they want to join your Live Event? How can CCP cope with foolishness of that magnitude?

Day 0 Advice for New Players
El Jin'meiko
Warcrows
THE OLD SCHOOL
#916 - 2013-11-10 23:09:00 UTC  |  Edited by: El Jin'meiko
Mara Rinn wrote:
El Jin'meiko wrote:
Ah well, everything went as I'd expected it to. I think that CCP often puts too much faith in the player base to get themselves organized, personally if I worked for CCP and I'd planned for an event like this I would have taken many steps towards an organized event to include thousands of players, concentrated on the public fleets organization by taking pages out of eve uni's book and having some sort of guest FC (You could easily give them a maxed out 'navy' character) with devs/isd taking up positions as other 'actor characters.


That is spot on, IMHO.

Just remember the other side of the story too: there are an awful lot of players who are so disinterested or averse to the PvP lifestyle of lowsec and null sec that you could almost describe them as wilfully ignorant of PvP. Then there are the players who pretend to be informed and knowledgable about running fleets but couldn't organise a beer party in a brewery, have no idea about managing difficult team members, and assume that shouting louder is the way to get things done. Then there are the players who abrogate their responsibility, or transfer their responsibility to the fool they choose to follow.

What do you do about those kinds of players when they want to join your Live Event? How can CCP cope with foolishness of that magnitude?


Lets be fair the events marketing was aimed at Joe Public, not at the powerblocs.

RvB and Uve Uni have pretty much been doing that sort of thing for a long time now, I personally don't have the experience to be able to tell you but I'd put money on those groups.

A live event intended to be of any real magnitude and value should have a run up in the general area its to be organized,
an event like this is better ran over a short period of time, I would have chose Derelik (low & high) as well as curse, this would have given ALL of the player base equal knowledge of an impending event. If CCP we're serious about live events they would have options for this, lead up events could be things like killing 'angels' POS anchored in highsec (with actors defending & giving the option to angels fans to turn up in rep ships), I wont bang on, like I said I would have personally taken many steps. Inc. somehow ensuring all time zones got a piece of the pie (proper application of PR team, language assistants).
Jean-Paul Hutchinson
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#917 - 2013-11-10 23:10:38 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
El Jin'meiko wrote:
Ah well, everything went as I'd expected it to. I think that CCP often puts too much faith in the player base to get themselves organized, personally if I worked for CCP and I'd planned for an event like this I would have taken many steps towards an organized event to include thousands of players, concentrated on the public fleets organization by taking pages out of eve uni's book and having some sort of guest FC (You could easily give them a maxed out 'navy' character) with devs/isd taking up positions as other 'actor characters.


That is spot on, IMHO.

Just remember the other side of the story too: there are an awful lot of players who are so disinterested or averse to the PvP lifestyle of lowsec and null sec that you could almost describe them as wilfully ignorant of PvP. Then there are the players who pretend to be informed and knowledgable about running fleets but couldn't organise a beer party in a brewery, have no idea about managing difficult team members, and assume that shouting louder is the way to get things done. Then there are the players who abrogate their responsibility, or transfer their responsibility to the fool they choose to follow.

What do you do about those kinds of players when they want to join your Live Event? How can CCP cope with foolishness of that magnitude?
Raneru
Jerkasaurus Wrecks Inc.
Sedition.
#918 - 2013-11-11 01:18:28 UTC
Jean-Paul Hutchinson wrote:
Mara Rinn wrote:
El Jin'meiko wrote:
Ah well, everything went as I'd expected it to. I think that CCP often puts too much faith in the player base to get themselves organized, personally if I worked for CCP and I'd planned for an event like this I would have taken many steps towards an organized event to include thousands of players, concentrated on the public fleets organization by taking pages out of eve uni's book and having some sort of guest FC (You could easily give them a maxed out 'navy' character) with devs/isd taking up positions as other 'actor characters.


That is spot on, IMHO.

Just remember the other side of the story too: there are an awful lot of players who are so disinterested or averse to the PvP lifestyle of lowsec and null sec that you could almost describe them as wilfully ignorant of PvP. Then there are the players who pretend to be informed and knowledgable about running fleets but couldn't organise a beer party in a brewery, have no idea about managing difficult team members, and assume that shouting louder is the way to get things done. Then there are the players who abrogate their responsibility, or transfer their responsibility to the fool they choose to follow.

What do you do about those kinds of players when they want to join your Live Event? How can CCP cope with foolishness of that magnitude?



I agree with both of u. The original news item simply stated a date, time and systems to go to. How you got there was up to you. No one said you had to form up in a big-ass fleet in Sarum prime and tidi your way thru systems in your shiniest ship.

Personally, If I'd have wanted to go I'd have been there hours earlier in a ship that stood a chance of getting there and didn't break the bank if it died.

This event is similar to what most nullsec pilots face each time they log in. Every jump you make there is a chance of death. If you choose to follow an FC there is a chance it will end badly. You make the choice, live with the outcome and move on while trying to learn from the experience.

If there is this much of a back lash from these events then CCP will either pull them completely or go back to small events that happen randomly with no notification, then report on the outcome post-event.
Edam Neadenil
Bax Corporation
#919 - 2013-11-11 02:25:15 UTC
Dracvlad wrote:


In terms of the location of the event and the Curse one being next to the CFC staging systems, this is incompetence, however there is a perceived slant by CCP to the 0.0 cartels, which makes it look and feel like a setup, perhaps CCP should think about explaining the decision around the location of the Curse event, knowing that the CFC was deployed there. Even with the CCP slant towards 0.0 entities, I cannot believe or accept that this was a setup by CCP, it makes no sense whatsoever to do that to what is a major part of their customer base.




To be perfectly honest if there was any ploy involved on CCPs part it was almost certainly an attempt to artificially generate one of those "largest space battle in history" headlines that have previously been good for subs.

However they do also seem to have completely forgotten they banned caps and supercaps from hisec meaning there is not and never realistic can be a totally highsec player alliance that is willing or able to take on null alliances. Hence highsec involvement in null generally takes the form of roams, mining barge ganking and ninja looting in null systems - not large fleet battles. Highsec experience of fleet battles is mainly FW and incursions which are quite a different type of thing ... no sane person would bring an incursion fleet to a nullsec PvP event.
Kiryen O'Bannon
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#920 - 2013-11-11 02:27:04 UTC
We can learn 2 things from this debacle:

1) Nullseccer's are perfectly ok with CCP feeding other players to them to kill. Next live event should involve something tricking every other nullsec alliance into ganging up on the Goons,a nd then giveing the Goons CONCORD ships, or something. I predict many nullsec tears.

2) Nullseccer's have no reading comprehension

Highsec "This event sucked; I had no idea what to do, the FC was an idiot, and I had to warp 23 jumps in 10% TiDi for no apparent reason"
Nullsec: LOL NEWBS! That's what happens in Nullsec! You get blown up!
Highsec: Yeah, was ok with getting blown up. Not ok with totally wasting my time in the process and having the event over before I got there
Nullsec: LOL TEARS!
Highsec: *Facepalm*

It's very apparent that nullsec lives in such total terror of a highsec point being taken seriously by CCP that they need to pretend every post by a highseccer is some sort of tears even when, as in this thread, there's nary a tear to be found. The hystrionics are laughably predictable.

In short: came expecting irrelevant bullshit from nullsecer's. Left satisfied.

Eternal Father, King of birth, /Who didst create the heaven and earth, /And bid the planets and the sun/ Their own appointed orbits run; /O hear us when we seek thy grace /For those who soar through outer space.