Live Events Discussion

1.. Open up Netflix
2.. Find National Geographic documentary on Wildebeest herds crossing rivers
3.. ???
4.. Realise why you were stupid to jump into Low, never mind Null.


I get it. I understand why everyone who went to the event from the High Sec end is upset, but every single Live Event has had to be organised specifically to make sure Goonies et al don't do EXACTLY what they did. Even then, apart from that Freighter escort event, whenever an event has crossed into low or null it has turned into a Charlie-Fox.

This one was pointed straight at NULL. What on earth did you think was going to happen. I absolutely understand that CCP is to blame for parking the rapevan and promising candy, but you guys ought to have been smart enough not to climb in.

To be honest, in my humble opinion everyone who says "welcome to nullsec, this is how we live down here" and means it is a complete idiot or an not so tasty orifice. Are you kidding us?
Every fleet in nullsec has its scouts, may it be in the enemys fleet or just (as intended imho) send them in their scouting frigs/cruisers or even intel. So while it might be not clear what excactly is going on it would at least be clear "Oh there are plenty of player in system". With these informations even the drunkest/dumbest FC would at least TRY to collect his force to push hard like a hammer on an amboss. CCP just peed on the amboss.
Tell me one NullSec-FC who would do what CCP did and we may talk again. And even if you dont send your scouts first (whyever) who for gods sake would call everyone to just burn trough the bubbles while the enemys throw out more of them? Instead of burning back to gate and warning everyone that there is **** going on (which btw was mentioned at least in my fleet in fleetchannel). Every FC who would do this would have BEEN FC for his alliance/corp if he led over 500 pilots to such a devastating catastrophy.
Furthermore there was no information for noobs about standing. Even my overview was mixed up as there were reds (for me) in the other highsecfleets so it might havnt helped that much, but still. It was impossible to find out who is who for a new player. Do you mark your allys in nullsec or do you just fly and look who shoots first at you?
Also. Coms anyone? I'm pretty sure most of the nullsec's know about what an FC is, what bubbles are, what nados means and what burn to gate, etc means. Wherefrom should a newbie know that? So I assume you guys, who say "thats life in nullsec" sends the new player in their alliance trough several gatecamps who kill them whenever they try to reach their destination until they finally manage it (besides getting podded and wake up at corp station). Intresting.

Besides all that "you should have known that its dangerous there, everyone knows whats going on in eve!"... So who've read Michail Scholochow or Thomas Mann? What do you mean with "not me"? Thats world literature, everyone knows that?! WHY should highsec player know whats going on in Nullsec? Most of them've never seen more of nullsec than one little flyby in one ship where they died. In most cases allone. Memory to myself: "Nullsec is dangerous." Thats for lots of people all they know about nullsec. I'm pretty sure there are hundreds of player in nullsec who dont know where their neighbours in the system next door are. Its just not important for highsecplayer to know where its dangerous in low/nullsec because theytend to ignore this space (for good reason).

And then, CCP, the developer of the game, called for the capsuleers. They did not call for people who play the game for quit a while, they did not call for pvp-player or well organized fleets where ccp offered a maillist with standard-fittings for everyone to share. They said "invite your friends, everyone can come, we need you ladys!". And the highsec capsuleers came. Hundreds, even thousands of us. (on both sides). Something big was about to happen.
And while you are right, usually everyone should know that low/nullsec is no kindergarden this situation was something else. Player who never were in a fleet with more than maybe 20 people were in fleets with over 100. And there were several fleets. When you were noobs and joined a such huge fleet, did you feel weak and pointless? Every highsec player thought from this moment, the playerbase (from highsec) forms a force. Wherefrom should they've known that without leadership and some basics this couldnt end well?

Every Nullsec-alliance i know does have premade fittings and shipissues which are shared evenly between the members. If the FC's calls for a legionfleet, everyone gets his fitted legion and after 20minutes fleet is ready to roll. Tengus, Talos, Roaming, Shield, Armor, logi, whatever. There is training, there are informations, standing-informations and so on. What did CCP offer? "Come, we need you". This is like a CTA for every bigger alliance, just with the lacking information and basics given to EVERY SINGLE nullsec player from his/her alliance.
Want to imagine a CTA and everyone comes with his actual ship? Ratting tengus, miningbarges and the FC in his Rorqual (at least mining boosters yey).



If I would be a beginner in eve and or PvP and just read this topic i would say it seems that every Nullsecpilot have to be a very dumb untasty orifice who also enjoyed killing new player with his level 60/80/100 whatver char in world of crapcraft. Or a Duty Calls kiddie who uses wallhacks and whatever and is soo proud about his skill. Just, that in this case, CCP offered the wallhack to the nullsecs likewise. While telling new player to join this server because its fun.


It might be possible that you had fun while playing shooting gallery and i know that several player acually fought back. But I hope, that most of you do prefer battles who are actually more... challanging. And while the fewest of you seem to understand the problems of the highsecfaction in this case I might remember:
It was not about loosing stuff. There were plenty (including me) who exspected PvP and accept such losses as "**** happens". It was about the whole situation. If you really cant understand that: Congratulations. You've won eve. You've finished it. So go, play Duty Calls.


At the end i want to mention a newer player from the help channel im in: She went to Sarum prime and flew troug the whole TIDI and while she did not ike that she accepted it. Even after i told her, that its very likely that she will die in the camp and she said: "Who cares. I came so far, i want to take part and help!"
She managed to slip trough the camps and finally arrived in RMOC-W but the beacon was already gone. Then she died. Well done CCP.

Well, If empire dwellers had been nulldwellers they'd have had a dozen or so cloaky cyno ships infiltrate the target system, and would have tit bridged in their fleets like a baws bypassing any gatecamps and mostly avoiding thinning/spreading of the fleets due to max TiDi.
Of course, during the fight a constant stream of reinforcements would have been bridged in, using the various cynos already in system.

The empire dwellers wouldn't have been able to 'get organized' as they lack the resources and infrastructure to properly mount a good fight against the enemy forces already deployed. Even so, a good titan bridge would have changed the tide even with empire bringing in a kitchen sink fleet.

Now get off your high horse already, this was a good ole' fashioned awox, led by ccp.

P.S. all empire dwellers are bow to mighty F1 skills of nullbears. Ah!, impart them with thy knowledge of the sikrit null ways and make them suck no moar!

Australian timezone here, so like those in the US the event was at a terrible time for me, around 5am on a working-Friday.

Despite that the news article surrounding the event sounded like a lot of fun. It was all the talk among my friends and in every channel I lurk in, so I was a bit pi**ed that I'd miss it as I had to work today and needed the sleep. I considered losing some sleep over it though, and setting my alarm early so I could at least experience an hour or two of the event.

In the end I didn't. I stayed in bed instead, and from reading all these rage-threads tonight I'm kinda glad I didn't lose sleep for this event.

Sounds like a total mess. Not that I'd mind dying (in fact I'd expect to in a decent live-event), but I'd expect the mission to hold some sort of story that capsuleers could appreciate on the day, and for my death to be from a worthwhile fight of some kind.

Sounds like CCP missed the ball on both angles. Maybe that was intentional though? If so then it was a bad judgement call.

CCP AVOX best AVOX

I guess that it makes a lot of sense when the best part of a live event with the game developers, is to not be there...

Anyway, if I had to pick a single lesson from this unmitigated disaster, it would be this:

1,000 hands in system are pure sh*t. It is not fun. it is no engaging. It is not interesting. It's a pure waste of time for the sake of wasting it.

Quantity (of players) over quality (of experience) is not fun.

Big battles are one of those EVE features you endure it rather than enjoy it.

Funny how it's a keystone of EVE's marketing: "BIG BATTLES at 1/10th of actual speed! Read your newspaper while your guns cycle and fire again in a minute! Groom the cat! Walk the dog! Learn Portuguese! EVE Online: the bigger the battle, the better you can do something else"

More tears pls

I like how most interesting posters are turned out to be "high sec dwellers" while "null dwellers" post single-string "essays" like "moar tears, use scouts, welcome to null". Probably because for null it was just another Thursday while for hi-sec it was reminder how CCP cannot gather their s* together and deliver any meaningful content since "Incursion" patch (released 3 years ago).

I'm not very happy either.

The loot from those ships was pitiful.

I wasn't there, but what I read here doesn't seem to be an overreaction to me.

It's kind of the expected reaction actually.

Or even the necessary reaction as to me it seems as if the event was planned in a way that is rather unprofessional.

better no events than such.