Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Nah, I totally disagree. There's no reason to use a Crusader over a Slicer, ever. Damage projection on small Pulse even when fitting for optimal is only ~13km. Your entire engagement range is wasted either on a point or by being in neut range. You have no counter to neuting (no utility high, no utility mid for a cap booster) and no ability to counter web or TD. I can't really fathom any time when I would use a Crusader... at all.

-Liang

Ed: I want to note that the new suggestion from Fozzie simply does not address any of the reasons why the Crusader is simply not a usable ship.

You can already fit maledictions to 12.5k ehp. Probably more like 14-15ish with the 4th low actually.

Probably because they've spent a fair amount of time actually flying the ship or flying frigates. The idea that you just MWD straight up to someone and orbit with the MWD off for great success is simply laughable. You can't run your guns because you have no cap, you can't keep range because you're scrammed + webbed, and you have no tank because you're in an interceptor.

-Liang

Crusader + Claw.

Combat interceptors.

Two mids.

We had no reason to fly them before, especial with the buffed Executioner and Slasher.

What reason do we have for flying them now.

Amarr and Minmatar fleet interceptors make better combat interceptors than the combat interceptors.

No change.

Honestly if you don't know anything about frig combat don't reply.

You can kill a crusader easily in most properly fitted t1 frigs. and if you can't you can just leave most of the time...

I'm gonna miss the extra highslot for malediction, I love running nosferatu on it.

Last time i logged in to actually fly - i used crusader. And yes, it's totally fine, my 1k solo kills with it whisper you that i know small ship balance on a decent level.

And no, claw is much worse because if distance stabilizes at ~7-9k after getting into scram range, claw is effectively dead despite its super awesome EM resist - because it can't project its damage as well as crusader does, and can't get closer (if it can, then it has no tank and will die horribly).

In lowsec - maybe. For nullsec, speed and signature difference makes a big deal. 4500-5200 with 1-2 speedmods and 70 sig, it's more than decent for sort of safe navigation.

Crusader is perfect ship for killing tacklers trying to catch you (in the 1 vs many situation, up to 50 ppl) - good speed to mitigate damage, decent dps across scram range. Maybe only daredevil has comparable effectiveness - less speed, more vulnerable, but higher projection/damage output with rails.

Given that you attempt to project your damage above 10k - i suppose you're doing it wrong. Crusader is midrange brawler - it gets into fight at 10km; it can't control distance vs 3-mid interceptors, but the initial distance is your advantage. You can easily kill taranises and other frigs by dealing critical damage before they get into their effective range; when they get into range, you switch ammo within just blink of an eye and finish it off.

I find fight between crusader and taranis as really good example of interesting balance. If both pilots are capable, crusader has better chances of winning, despite the fact crusader has 2 mids.

I was terrified you were going to change the slot layouts. I did not want to have to refit dozens of ships.

overall, my ares just got buffed, and my taranis will continue to collect dust outside of special situations. a bit more lock range is nice. glad you didn't go overboard with it.

+1, very happy with the changes.

Crow getting 4 mids now? Missile velocity as base bonus? Getting range bonus

-SUPER CONDOR-

Just.. How would you lose a fight against a Crusader in a taranis?

Inside scram range the taranis is twice as fast, has better tracking and far more dps..