Player Features and Ideas Discussion

He said WITH LASERS. Reading is hard

Maybe this has been covered, or maybe it hasn't, I'm not trolling the thread for it.

Why does Taranis only have the 1 frigate skill bonus?

Teth's argument was something to do with people using interceptors as nullsec shuttles. But I think I missed the bit where he explained why this would be bad.

Roden - railguns
DuVolle - blasters
Creo-drone - obvious

These are the traditional Gallente weapon systems, backed by 'who cares' shields, sturdy armor, and the best 'last chance to survive, hope you fit a DC II!' hull. This is how we get things done, and explains the Caldari predilection for shields, missiles, long-range railguns, drones as an afterthought, and distance.

In returning to our roots, we leave greater territory for others to balance out, and, thus, REDUCE the homogenization of Eve!

How would you even NERF light missiles? NERFED to the point where they're unusable? Cause that's what it would take. A Condor can sit forever and whittle another ship away. That's what they do. However, that alone would not be an issue if you could shoot them which many ships can but TD/DAMPS and ofc OGB and MAX vel.

The Caracal Is not an issue because that ship does explode and engaging overly tanked assault frigates that are ON YOU. Is not iWIN for the Caracal.

So Condor. Lower maximum targeting range to 28,000m after skills. In fact all non t2 frigates should be capped at that targeting range unless EWAR. Also reduce the Condors velocity to around 2,000m, reduce the ships CPU and powergrid SIGNIFICANTLY. By doing this the Condor may need to devote low slots to speed mods, less CPU AND PG helps stop TD's and what not as well as a BIG TD NERF. If a dude wants to use his OGB-condor to its full extent. Dude will have to devote rigs to targeting range and or speed related rigs. Same sh!t with the Kestrel. The rest are fine. Cerberus is fine and so is the Caracal. No doubt 2 or more of them is own or 1 of them is own with OGB but when OGB is REMOVED. Your tear filled face will become more of a scowl.

Hello Fozzie,

I like the changes. Quick question though. All the fleet (point range) interceptors have the lighter mass compared to the combat interceptors. The raptor and crow did not have their mass changed when they had their roles swapped.

Was this intentional?

I am also wondering why the taranis is tied for slowest interceptor, has the 2nd highest mass and 2nd worst agility?

Our hero Gripen has added these interceptor changes to EFT except for the ares and I've been playing around with them. Here are my concerns:

Raptor: As mentioned before you have to sacrifice the range control of a web to actually utilize the somewhat strange shield resist bonus, effectively making it a 2 midslot ship. In my opinion the utility high should be switched, on all my fittings that I came up with for the raptor it was either empty or fit with a rocket launcher which is pretty bad. Any raptor pilot would rather have a web than some 5 extra applied dps.

Taranis: Even though they're slight the HP nerfs are completely unmotivated in my opinion, the ship was in no way strong enough to motivate this change. Since the taranis is duvolle manufactured I think it would be approriate to maybe change the 10% damage bonus to 5% RoF and give it a fallof bonus aswell as a slight speed increase since the gap between the ranis and the other interceptors is a little big.

Crusader: Even with the rubicon changes this ship has stats that are on par with the executioner. Minding that the executioner has a web, I'd pick it over the crusader every time as a solo pvper. With the crusader I feel like there should just be another slot added to the ship since switching another slot would hurt the ship almost as much as it helps, but for sake of consistency this can't happen of course, and if all interceptors had +1 slot over t1 frigates and bubble immunity aswell that's taking it too far.
Solution: Switch lowslot for midslot, build the turret cap use bonus into the ship, switch the bonuses from amarr frigate to 5% damage and 7.5% tracking and make the interceptor skill give mwd sig and 5% damage aswell like with the claw.
EDIT: Alternatively, see the post below.

Claw: Splitting the damage bonus was in no way enough for this ship IMO(actually since most people have interceptors 4 they will end up with less dps than before, this drives specializaiton by training it to 5 of course but it's still a bad change.), this ship deserves to be the fast version of the wolf. I've fit up alot of different variants on this ship and I think there is two ways to go.
1. Keep the slot layout as it is, get the 10% damage bonus back(make it an RoF bonus if you're feeling nice) alongside the tracking bonus for minmatar frigate and add a fallof bonus to the interceptor skill making the claw a faster but less tanky wolf.
2. Keep the bonuses as they are in OP, switch a highslot for a midslot.

The tackle interceptors are mostly fine but there seems to be a pretty big power gap between the stiletto and malediction vs crow and ares(as it is with new roden stats). Crow and ares can refit into combat configuration and perform almost as well as the combat interceptors at this while the malediction and especially stiletto really struggles to do this. The crow and ares are much superior to the other two in dps potential, which I think should be looked at.
The only reason to fit rockets on a malediction is if you're going for an AB scram range kite solo setup, and even then you're almost better of fitting autocannons. In the case of the stiletto I think you should look at it and not make the same mistake you've done with alot of minmatar ships, just because it's the most used right now doesn't mean it's OP and when I look at the other interceptors post rubicon it feels like the stiletto doesn't have much to offer. Case of the stiletto is very similar to that of the sabre, it's the least bad of the bunch.

Actually that's a better idea.

GTFO with your 18km scramble range. The kiting interceptrs (which are already fine at the moment) will be ridiculously powerful and the interceptors that actually need help (i.e. the crusader, the claw and arguably the taranis now as well) will be left behind in the dust even more than they are now.

Only thing correct about your statement is that interceptors with only two mids are stupid, because they are outclassed in tackling capability by those with 3 or more mids (allowing sebos to catch pods, dual prop to scram targets and still survive with transversal or GTFO ability, disruptor + scram combo for verstility, or utility like tracking disruptors to avoid getting blapped by anti-support while getting in range for tackle). They're also outclassed in combat ability since frig fights are won primarily based on range control (rather than sheer gank and tank).

I feel like the fleet interceptors point range should be increased because of the added neut range of the Armageddon. The advantage of these interceptors in fleets was that they could point outside of heavy neut range. However with the advent of the new Armageddon (which multiple of these are in every fleet now) interceptors do not have this advantage anymore.

Therefore I think the fleet interceptor point range should be increased to where it can sit outside or the armageddons 37.5 heavy neut range. Perhaps 40km.

What do you guys think about this... or should capacitor booster mwd long point become the standard fit?