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A trillion reasons why the null sec cartels are thrilled with the POCO changes

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#1 - 2013-09-30 15:53:50 UTC
Malbrick has done a pretty thorough analysis of the taxes being generated from high sec custom offices.
I urge all to read it: http://mabricksmumblings.blogspot.ca/2013/09/high-sec-poco-economics.html.

Now, he has some pretty wide ranges on the estimates of tax being brought in, but if we take the mid-point, we are looking at 1 TRILLION ISK per month that was an ISK sink is now being diverted into the pockets of the null sec cartels.

According to Jester's blog, the goon CSM rep confirms that once an organization puts up a POCO, you have to warec the organization to attack the POCO. So at the moment, we have a huge bunch of bored null sec players, looking for something to do. They will just treat this as another campaign, with a one time structure grind, and take every NPC customs office they want.
And then the cash rolls in, because who will wardec them to take back a POCO?

Of course, CCP can refute this is a 1 Trillion ISK/ month gift to the cartels, by providing the current accurate valuation of high sec NPC Custom Offices taxes. I would LOVE for CCP to provide a hard number. But they won't.

And one other thing CCP. How do you plan on replacing this ISK sink? You are creating another inflationary pressure by removing this ISK sink. Will you nerf high sec missions, high sec incursions, or increase the transaction taxes on trades and contracts when you create yet another passive income source for null sec?
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#2 - 2013-09-30 15:56:52 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Malbrick has done a pretty thorough analysis of the taxes being generated from high sec custom offices.
I urge all to read it: http://mabricksmumblings.blogspot.ca/2013/09/high-sec-poco-economics.html.

Now, he has some pretty wide ranges on the estimates of tax being brought in, but if we take the mid-point, we are looking at 1 TRILLION ISK per month that was an ISK sink is now being diverted into the pockets of the null sec cartels.

According to Jester's blog, the goon CSM rep confirms that once an organization puts up a POCO, you have to warec the organization to attack the POCO. So at the moment, we have a huge bunch of bored null sec players, looking for something to do. They will just treat this as another campaign, with a one time structure grind, and take every NPC customs office they want.
And then the cash rolls in, because who will wardec them to take back a POCO?

Of course, CCP can refute this is a 1 Trillion ISK/ month gift to the cartels, by providing the current accurate valuation of high sec NPC Custom Offices taxes. I would LOVE for CCP to provide a hard number. But they won't.

And one other thing CCP. How do you plan on replacing this ISK sink? You are creating another inflationary pressure by removing this ISK sink. Will you nerf high sec missions, high sec incursions, or increase the transaction taxes on trades and contracts when you create yet another passive income source for null sec?


Don't worry, CCP is adding a new module, called the Dinsdalizer, that when activated turns Tritanium into Tinfoil suitable for hat manufacturing. It will revolutionize conspiracy theorizing across New Eden.
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#3 - 2013-09-30 15:57:31 UTC
They could just remove L4 missions to balance the ISK sink?

Would that be satisfactory OP?
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#4 - 2013-09-30 16:00:40 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Malbrick has done a pretty thorough analysis of the taxes being generated from high sec custom offices.
I urge all to read it: http://mabricksmumblings.blogspot.ca/2013/09/high-sec-poco-economics.html.

Now, he has some pretty wide ranges on the estimates of tax being brought in, but if we take the mid-point, we are looking at 1 TRILLION ISK per month that was an ISK sink is now being diverted into the pockets of the null sec cartels.

According to Jester's blog, the goon CSM rep confirms that once an organization puts up a POCO, you have to warec the organization to attack the POCO. So at the moment, we have a huge bunch of bored null sec players, looking for something to do. They will just treat this as another campaign, with a one time structure grind, and take every NPC customs office they want.
And then the cash rolls in, because who will wardec them to take back a POCO?

Of course, CCP can refute this is a 1 Trillion ISK/ month gift to the cartels, by providing the current accurate valuation of high sec NPC Custom Offices taxes. I would LOVE for CCP to provide a hard number. But they won't.

And one other thing CCP. How do you plan on replacing this ISK sink? You are creating another inflationary pressure by removing this ISK sink. Will you nerf high sec missions, high sec incursions, or increase the transaction taxes on trades and contracts when you create yet another passive income source for null sec?


Don't worry, CCP is adding a new module, called the Dinsdalizer, that when activated turns Tritanium into Tinfoil suitable for hat manufacturing. It will revolutionize conspiracy theorizing across New Eden.


Sure, use ad hominem attacks when you can't refute the message.
Prince Kobol
#5 - 2013-09-30 16:04:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Malbrick has done a pretty thorough analysis of the taxes being generated from high sec custom offices.
I urge all to read it: http://mabricksmumblings.blogspot.ca/2013/09/high-sec-poco-economics.html.

Now, he has some pretty wide ranges on the estimates of tax being brought in, but if we take the mid-point, we are looking at 1 TRILLION ISK per month that was an ISK sink is now being diverted into the pockets of the null sec cartels.

According to Jester's blog, the goon CSM rep confirms that once an organization puts up a POCO, you have to warec the organization to attack the POCO. So at the moment, we have a huge bunch of bored null sec players, looking for something to do. They will just treat this as another campaign, with a one time structure grind, and take every NPC customs office they want.
And then the cash rolls in, because who will wardec them to take back a POCO?

Of course, CCP can refute this is a 1 Trillion ISK/ month gift to the cartels, by providing the current accurate valuation of high sec NPC Custom Offices taxes. I would LOVE for CCP to provide a hard number. But they won't.

And one other thing CCP. How do you plan on replacing this ISK sink? You are creating another inflationary pressure by removing this ISK sink. Will you nerf high sec missions, high sec incursions, or increase the transaction taxes on trades and contracts when you create yet another passive income source for null sec?


Whilst this all sounds terrible what would need to happen fist is the goons to travel thought out most of high sec, bash and then replace 100's of POCO's.

Once this has been done they would need to defend said POCO's if war decc'ed

No where in your post have you mentioned how much it would cost to replace the POCO's and how much it cost to War Dec an alliance like Goonswarm.
Maekchu
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-09-30 16:07:41 UTC
I will encourage big alliances to take up all the custom offices, so I then can use the Siphon to take a share of those trillions of ISK.

There are just too many customs offices to control all of them.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#7 - 2013-09-30 16:11:22 UTC
People war dec nullsec alliances all the time.

Chickenlittle some more.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#8 - 2013-09-30 16:12:13 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:


Sure, use ad hominem attacks when you can't refute the message.


A message that is false on the face of it doesn't need refuting.

This is what I told you in the other thread, you need help, but beyond that, what you do is dumb.

Lets look at what you did here.

You assume that "null sec cartels" are going to take over ALL high sec pocos. This preculdes the idea that HIGh SEc interests might try to take over some of them, or that null alliances would find the action to boring and to tedious to defend.\

You then take the above bad assumption and add it to the false high seccer assumption that "nullsecers are bored" (the dumb assumption based on the idea that null alliance folks should stay in null sec) and end up with the really dumb conclusion that null alliances will dominate high sec via pocos.

Midway through you do this :
Quote:

Of course, CCP can refute this is a 1 Trillion ISK/ month gift to the cartels, by providing the current accurate valuation of high sec NPC Custom Offices taxes. I would LOVE for CCP to provide a hard number. But they won't.
which (btw) is how paranoid-schizophrenics justify their paranoia by making a demand in the form of an insult and then challenge ("but they won't").

And in fine Dinsdale fashion you ended with even more tinfoil hattery, suggesting CCP has it out for high sec.

You posts could serve as fine example in a college level communications course of how not to speak effectively. All you ever manage to do is make people laugh at you and encourage CCP to not take anything you post seriously.

If you want people to not treat you like a buffoon , stop posting buffonery.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2013-09-30 16:13:48 UTC
organisations other than nullsec sovholders own and fight over lowsec pocos

also pocos are tremendously easy to reinforce and there's little risk in reinforcing and blowing up as many as you can when there's no cynos, no bridges, no carrier reps and people who can shoot you are highlighted in local

i doubt nullsec sovholders will bother
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-09-30 16:14:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Varius Xeral
Wow even mabrick in that article, not known for his general insightfulness, has suggested that the only sure bet is that they won't be owned by single man corporations.

You seriously need help.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-09-30 16:15:22 UTC
that's assuming an entity took a large number ofc

what's funny is that fake pocoholding alliances won't be a thing
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-09-30 16:15:30 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
They could just remove L4 missions to balance the ISK sink?

Would that be satisfactory OP?


Psh, you realise that a fair few of those L4 running alts/bots belong to nullbears, right? And it'd only be fair to remove nullsec rat income and all incursion payouts so as to create a broad PVE nerf, rather than victimizing highsec. Because that would be unbalanced, and CCP are remarkably good at balancing. Besides T20.

OP: Not every POCO is going to belong to nullsec cartels. If anything this is going to make highsec warfare much more commonplace due to highsec corps locking horns with nullsec alliances who for once can't blob with caps and supercaps or hotdrop or bubble or permacamp gates etc etc.

Dodixie > Hek
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#13 - 2013-09-30 16:16:00 UTC
Or you could avoid customs fees entirely by launching your stuff into space, it's not compulsory to use a poco.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-09-30 16:17:41 UTC
What this will do is create a purpose for larger and more coherent hisec entities, which is great for new player retention and better transition into more complex areas of space.

The POCO change is a massive boost to hisec play to everyone but the self-enforced massively online single players.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#15 - 2013-09-30 16:19:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Maybe they should initiate a CONCORD tax for 50% of the total High Sec POCO profits ? Lol


Also, OP says he has a trillion reasons, and I'm only counting one.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#16 - 2013-09-30 16:21:28 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
Now, he has some pretty wide ranges on the estimates of tax being brought in, but if we take the mid-point, we are looking at 1 TRILLION ISK per month that was an ISK sink is now being diverted into the pockets of the null sec cartels.


The CFC already took all the highsec POCO's?

I'm impressed.

Not today spaghetti.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-09-30 16:22:28 UTC
The very root of your issue is 'bored' null blocks. They have vast territories, yet can easily go on a road trip to conquer all of high sec POCO's even moons if there was any value to them. All the while their territory remains untouched. Why? Because at any given moment they can be back there to defend the territory in just a few minutes.

Now if certain game mechanics were changed where leaving your territory unmanned, undefended would have consequences...

Well then they would not be bored at all and more importantly for you, not give a single f*** about what POCO you own in high sec.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-09-30 16:25:13 UTC
oh. i remember that one of the taglines on the rubicon feature page is 'reduce your reliance on empire facilities'. i'm hoping this may be a point to eventual nerfing npc industry. ccp might be building the tools to allow players to wean themselves off the teet. imagine if production was done in starbases? highsec could get interesting

or it could just be flavour text for the new structures. vOv but remember the theme of the expansion is 'capsuleers breaking away from the empires'. this expansion may be the prelude to the great highsec nerf our benevolent nullsec overlords have been rightfully manipulating ccp into doing
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#19 - 2013-09-30 16:25:37 UTC
I love the smell of burning tinfoil in the morning.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Solstice Project's Alt
Doomheim
#20 - 2013-09-30 16:26:11 UTC
You people are really beyond fixing ...

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