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Why did you forget about my blaster Tengu? :(

Then what's the point of having a hybrid subsystem on the Tengu?

The answer is rails.

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3012




Hail is terribly underpowered? Its falloff bonus is removed? Winmatar's effective range is pretty much all falloff. Now they'll do more damage than EMP/Fusion/Phased Plasma with the same range, and +25% tracking....

And the Blasters will still be stuck with void with the same -50% falloff modifier that they just removed from Hail.

Meanwhile, null is stuck with the lowest range boost of any of the T2 range boosting ammo (for the short ranged variant of eahc weapon type).
Gallente still won't be able to catch Winmatar to get within blaster range. If they do, T2 autos will spit out much more DPS due to hail doing much better applied DPS.
Caldari rails will be buffed though, yay for only 2 viable races.
Drakes and Canes may become Drakes, Feroxs and Canes.
Woot!

If you are going to get rid of the falloff penalty to hail, do the same to the penalty to Void, and optimal penalty of gleam.
Give null+50% to falloff, what is this +25% BS?

T2 rails are still bad, hybrid Tengu is useless, Eagle is useless.

a 75% tracking penaly does seem excessive

If one has 1.8x the range, than at optimal one needs 1/1.8 = 0.555 x the tracking speed to have the same hit quality as before.

I would like to see the long range T2 ammo for beams, rails, and arty have a 0.56x tracking multiplier instead of a 0.25 multiplier.

After 60+ pages of "discussion" I am not holding my breath that Gallente/ Caldari hybrid weapons "platforms" will get a meaningful improvement.

So to whom it may concern in CCP game balancing department. If you can't make Gallente/ Caldari hybrid ships/ weapons "better" with out braking existing game balance, at least make them cheaper. Where their approximate mineral cost would reflect their combat effectiveness.

In a current state most hybrid ships larger that a frigate and smaller then capitals are like "white elephants that sent to hunt for elephant guns".

Caldari Pilot here, I used to train Hybrids until i realized how fruitless it was.

Looks like Hybrids are back on the menu.

Also, CCP have begun to work on CCP, the effect on the game itself is an indicator of a greater trend. A positive trend that I hope remains in place for a long time.
Fingers crossed for more expansions like this one.

Buffing blaster dps through the roof won't solve anything. The problem is simply that the race with the shortest range does NOT have the fastest ships like it should. It's really basic stuff. Armor rigs and plates reducing speed while being pretty much required in PvP certainly don't help either. Further evidence for what I'm saying can be seen on the frigate level: blaster frigates are and were not gimped because they can catch up to their target, furthermore, combat usually takes place within web range.

Also, once upon a time, Autocannons didn't have ridiculous falloff and had to actually get close to webbing range to deal enough damage.

Indeed, as it stands right now it's difficult to ask for more dps on blasters or rails without watching carefully and individually each ship.

Has you rightly said small blasters/rails are fine and by the way they were already before, they were the ones that needed no revamp at all but only ships tweaks.

Proportionally speaking between small and large guns, putting numbers out of my arse (just because I can but I will avoid) I'd say that blaster ships need a lot more speed, maybe a small increase in DPS and rails really a lot of DPS love.

While for blasters I think now that is about tweaking ships bonus that CCP will manage to bring them back to the light, Rails really suffer from the lack of alpha.
I don't think the best way to compare rails with other weapon system, or even watching independently each weapon system is to watch numbers over time because of something basic in the game: engagement time
You can't compare the dps of rails vs arty when one can instantly pop cruisers and the other one needs 5 shots then say that over time Rails have the biggest DPS.

Who shoots for 1hour a single BS?
Who shoots BC's or cruiser for over 30mn? -hell even 3minutes, unless is structures ...

Average fight without logistics is about 30s to about 100sec (self rep bait tanks etc) so in my humble opinion you can't just pick numbers over time (how much time by the way).
I guess long range weapons should be balanced around "target X" at "distance Y" with perfect skills and shooting for "Z" seconds based on average life time of ships using that kind of weapon system.

Then we would probably see that missiles need a huge dps improvement (travel time before applying dps) and rails are underground very deep looking for enraged hamsters.

Just some point of view about what actually is already done. More stuff will be done (I hope) so maybe and I hope I'll start using my racial ships and guns in fleets without read "gtfo with that shift and bring something useful"