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I am extremely skeptical of adding tracking over damage to blasters. It was never poor tracking that drove me to using Projectiles and then Lasers. It was damage. Blasters just don't have it. They also don't have range - so even should they have reasonable damage they just don't have the range for me to use it. I understand that the ship changes are intended to help alleviate that, but I remain skeptical.

I don't promise to whore this thread - send me a mail if you want me to expound on this.

-Liang

If you're web and manage to orbit blaster bs with your cane at 1.5km, he will almost never hit you, I consider this has serious tracking issue.

Everything other than frigates, webbed and under 10km should have to pick their teeth wiht broken fingers at best.


Edit: yes, without range for blasters or tweeked ammo I don't think a simple agility boost will change the fact this gun type just can't compete at distances fights happen, 15 to 25km, and aren't fast enough or have tools to help them do the job.

Harbinger is already in a good place and is a serious Brawler. Without Cap Bonus to turrets it would cap it's self out far too quickly with 7 guns. I stick with my original suggestion of turning the Prophecy into a fire support platform with an optimal range bonus instead of Cap.



Yes I do. But tell me why any of these fixes wouldn't work.

Eagle/Ferox would both perform exceptional as either a blaster or rail setup

Deimos gets its very heavy DPS at close range and the falloff bonus helps for sniper fits

etc etc

Right, so since Gallente is bloody damn powerful up close already, but rails are fail and blasters have fallen out of favour (it never was made for nullsec blob fights anyway, but hey), here's my take on what could solve this;

Give Gallente an innate 90% web bonus (as others suggested). But - give it a massive stacking penalty. I.e. if you apply two webs, they'll only be 90.1% or something. It would be ridicilous if we came back to the point where we can't get back to gates purely because there's Gallente sitting on the field.

To put some perspective where I'm coming from: http://kenny.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=10928688
That happened just some day ago. The Drake jumped through the gate I was sitting on, I single-webbed (yes, not dual web) him and he only got about halfways back to the gate before he died. The Machariel did not even join in until five seconds before the Drake died, I believe, just to get on the killmail.

I.e. Vindicator functions like the old Megas did, and work "as a Gallente/blaster-ship". If Gallente would work innate like that, it would make blasters bloody damn powerful even at current stats, and solve alot of the issues. But multiple webs would just make it gamebreaking, and that's something even I (even tho I'd benefit from it) wouldn't want to see. (not to mention how overpowered every railship would be, they could just web-kite anything to death)

Good babysteps. Still needs more work, though.

I may have to break out my 330m ISK Daredevil in minor celebration after the patch. 20% tracking bonus? Yes please!

When I read this thread and Dev post back and forth a couple of times I come to the conclusion that these proposed changes while nice won't really fix the situation with blasters and rails. The main reason is because Gallente ships are simply to slow.

Read that again dear devs: THEY. ARE. SLOW.

Giving them only a 10 / 5 increase in base speed is like farting in the wind. Hardly noticeable.

For blasters to be viable Gallente ships need to be at least 20% faster.

In comibination with overload that would bring Gallente ships almost near Minmatar normal speed, in that critical stage when you need to reach your target to apply facemelting dps to it.


That means Gallente need to become the second fastest race in game. A position that now is currently hold by Amarr.

So a 20% increase in speed pls.

Or I will continue to fly Minmatar in 90% of the times.


Another thing that needs to be done is a NERF.

Tracking Enhancers are simply to powerful for the advantage they give to autocannons/arties.

The 30% falloff need to be cut in half, to force people that use them, mostly Minmatar, to fight closer.


And your fixes to blasters are nice but they don't go the full length.

Being hit by a blaster should be the equivalent of getting hit by a shootgun. Enormous damage up close but drasticly reduce the further away the target is.

Anything within 10k range, normal webifier range, should feel the full pain.

But I know you at CCP are afraid of making them too powerful, so perhaps a compromise could do:

a 10% increase in base damage

and

a 50-100% increase in blaster optimal.



Lastly, I'm not sure about rails, but a 10% increase in damage won't cut it, maybe double that?

CCP why buffed matars ? Because everyone used before matar weapon buff the amarrian ships. Amarrian ships was overpowered above all ship types because their ridiculous scorch range. Shot from 45km range from optimal without any bonus and + 10km from falloff against 3km optimal+17km falloff??? When matar ships didn't have falloff bonuses or enough speed was crap. Their main advantages was their speed over tanking.
Matar ships with their paper hull was the worst ship after speed nerf and they needed to compensate them when lost their speeds. Thx but not need matar nerf again, when amarrian can shot with scorch like a long range weapon.
Need a fine solution for hybrid and rail platform for bring back to line them, but not need nerf any other weapon system.
I never understand crying babies on forum, who cry because of falloff.
Shoting from falloff is crap. Never was better a gun with 5km optimal+25km falloff than a 30km optimal range weapon which have better tracking and which have more +10km falloff too.
I know hybrid system need rethinking, but the other nerf is unacceptable when some other ships "finaly" useable.

Need smarter changes than nerf.

Need rethinking gallentean ship bonuses.
They are too slow to reach their targets ?? Give to them scram range bonus 5 or 7.5%/lvl and they can be shut down enemy mwd from farther distance and they will be get the chances to aproaching their targets to shorter range in faster time.
Or web 5 or 7.5% range/lvl and they can be slowing enemies from farther distances.
If they can reach the paper hull targets faster there, they would be repeal them with their huge damage.

Rails need better changes, need better DPS over all sniper ships, because they have worst alpha.
10% + damage multiplier wont be enough, need more 10 ROF too or wont be using them no one again after this patch.
We want to see more useable ship types in fleets.
Many ships is unuseable in games. I can flight at least 200 shiptypes with t2 guns, but most of ship unuseable and i don't want to flight with them.
EW frigs ? Need rethinking. Gallentean ships need rethinking. Most of caldari ship unuseable in pvp. etc
Dramiel ? I dont understand CCP why made a frig over interceptor speed ? Who want to using ceptors if a developer create a more powerful and faster ships in the frig class?
Need better balances for ship usage or player base wont be use the other ships when they got a overpowered ships in their class.

Well, after all these ideas about rebalancing hybrids, and his problems in every one of his possibilities, It's time to change for productive possibilities:

Option 1:
- Drop hybrids.
- Gallente -> Laser
- Caldari -> Projectile

Option 2:
- Drop hybrids.
- Gallente -> Projectile
- Caldari -> Laser

Option 3:
- Minmatar -> Blasters
- Gallente -> Projectile

All these with a remapping of hybrid skills SP.
I would choose 1, as 3 would cause wrath on Minmatar players.

even if we would increase ranges and such we are still stuck in current trend of alphaing stuff, and with time dialation coming the response times for logistics becomes even better making alphaing even more useful. If we want low alpha snipers to work we need a very much redone ewar and other utility to use against logistics.

But on a real side, lets just buff hybrids to opness, make em fotm for 6 months, while doing small balancings for it in the coming 6 months, in the end we should end up with a balanced weapon system and balanced gallante/caldari hybrid ships.

It will not. Now, the ship can be found in 10 seconds, with combatprobs. Warp, aproch, scram = you're dead.