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Mining revolution

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Dave Stark
#41 - 2013-09-01 20:35:04 UTC
so you have no basic understanding of how supply and demand works. ok.
Frag Solo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2013-09-01 20:39:34 UTC
or no ! i play at eve 5 year ago
I mine , i rate in ano , i plex , i ratted in WH , i pvp all day , i trade some time and i m the logistique director in my alliance !
and i think only bot destroy the market !

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Dave Stark
#43 - 2013-09-01 20:41:35 UTC
may i suggest enrolling yourself in some basic economics classes, i feel they'd be a great help to you.
Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#44 - 2013-09-01 20:43:56 UTC
Frag Solo wrote:


Yeah great and you mine the same that a hulk at 200 min


Yeah, but you look so damn good doing it. And your KMs will be the stuff of legend.

Domanique Altares
Rifterlings
#45 - 2013-09-01 20:46:56 UTC
Frag Solo wrote:


and i think only bot destroy the market !


You won't destroy the market. You'll just drop the bottom out of minerals, and make it even more difficult for the people who choose to do so to make an in-game living through mining.

Maybe that's what you want, to drive your your own competition? If so, you should take the direct route with some gank Catalysts, instead of asking CCP to introduce new gimmicky ships and mechanics to do it for you.
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#46 - 2013-09-01 21:25:11 UTC
Frag Solo wrote:
and why a minig t3 ship at 500m with 30% more yield will fall the market ?



There are now 30% more minerals on the market. The demand remains the same. Thus, prices drop as people undercut one another to try and sell the stuff.

And if you think bots wreck the minerals market, what do you think bots in these things will do to it? They will have even more minerals to dump, which will drive the price down.
Smilia
Odd Squad Gaming
#47 - 2013-09-02 13:28:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Smilia
Well i think mining deserve some love from developer. i disagree mostly on the yield part as it was stated increasing yield might reduce mineral price, it would take some time but in the end

Rather than increasing the yield giving miner some more expensive but convenient alternative does sound like a good thing.
I mean you can mine in a rokh or any other turret battleship to get more tank & maybe the use of sentries to defend yourself but in the end its not very efficient (having to cycle modulated deep core miner II due to much more yield than cargo)

Maybe a new capital ship that would mine, about as much or little less than a hulk, with a huge ore bay/mineral bay & able to use some kind of siege module that would provide refined ore (instead of unrefined one) at great mineral loss like 25-50% mineral loss & better yield than a hulk (meaning about the same amount of mineral as a hulk yield - ie more yield with mineral loss = as much yield-) providing on site refining & faster belt clearing (industrial indice null sec)

in the case of that t3 why not about the same yield as the mack but with a mining drone bonus (yield & navigation) that would give with all skill maxed nearly as much as an hulk?

some of the ideas proposed by OP are interesting in my opinion!
Razzack Chronos
M A N G O Inc.
#48 - 2013-09-02 14:45:25 UTC
I personally, don't think mining should be changed at all. My main pilot is an industry toon, mining, refining and building and even though isk/h is low compared to other tasks in the game, it is relatively safe and mining afaik has an issue with bots. People bring out fleets of hulks, an orca and a freighter, wiping systems clean, do you really want to give those guys more yield? I for one do not.

I do however like the idea behind a industrial ship with different sub systems, but not as OP explained - probably not as a cruiser either - and it would need to not be very strong in order to ensure the role specific ships (Orca, Noctis etc) still have a place in EVE.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2013-09-02 18:16:41 UTC
Cette idée est mauvaise et vous devriez vous sentir mal
Gospadin
Bastard Children of Poinen
#50 - 2013-09-02 18:56:23 UTC
FYI, rocks don't shoot back.
Navigation Boy
Edge Dancers
Angry Miners Alliance.
#51 - 2013-09-02 20:12:18 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Also you'd turn yourself in to a very attractive ganking target.

lawl.

An empty hulk with no modules is already an attractive ganking target.
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#52 - 2013-09-03 05:44:27 UTC
Rather interesting views on this again and the usual mineral prices will drop and everything will be awfull.

I personaly like the idea that you could have a pimped up mining barge. Also it would make a more juicy target for pvpers.

Now to the other issue that seems to be here with the mineral prices. Alot of you say that it's horrible that mineral prices would drop. I say no. Prices would drop down abit but as almost everyone in this game is a greedy bastard the prices would not drop down so much but if they did it would result in cheaper ships and equipment which in turn would and should increase the amoint of pvp done in the game cause players could afford to loose more as they items would be cheaper. Also it is most likely true that the miner would not see an increase in hes income cause of the dropping mineral prices but then again he is making more minerals which means more production in the game and more content to blow up.

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm

Frag Solo
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-09-03 16:05:53 UTC
I just want inspired CCP

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2013-09-03 19:16:40 UTC
Frag Solo wrote:
Nop just create pimped mining ship ! than a pimped vargur for farm or a pimped titan for pvp !
With rating we can win 200m/h
With mining only 24m/h or 36m/h with bonus


Ahhh you must be young, or not well schooled in economics.

See ratting is different than mining. The price of rats does not fluctuate at all, it is a hard value set by CCP. Rat more, earn more. It is that simple.

Mining on the other hand is subject to the "vagaries of the market"--i.e. mine more you may make more. Mine too much and you may earn less. Allowing for a "pimped" out mining ship wont do much to demand for minerals. However, it will increase the supply...at all price levels. Thus, the price will almost surely go down with this idea.

So, you may want to reconsider your ideas here.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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Teckos Pech
Hogyoku
Goonswarm Federation
#55 - 2013-09-03 19:20:35 UTC
Frag Solo wrote:
I think you are wrong .... why only one ship can reduce all mineral price ! There are a lot of parameter for mineral price ...


What you want your own special ship? Everyone who mines has the option of training for it and using it...much like exhumers. When you hit an ice belt you see mostly mackinaws and some skiffs. If your ship idea is the best option for mining then others will start using it.

And yes, there are many parameters for mineral price...you are suggesting chaning one, maybe more...hence a new equilibrium will obtain and it is almost surely be lower. Lower price, with the same output means lower isk/hour. Even with higher output it could mean more or less isk/hour.

So again...careful what you wish for.

"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-09-03 20:23:19 UTC
Navigation Boy wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Also you'd turn yourself in to a very attractive ganking target.

lawl.

An empty hulk with no modules is already an attractive ganking target.


Use a Mackinaw instead then. It can fit a really good tank it's yield is marginally lower than a Hulk's..

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Navigation Boy
Edge Dancers
Angry Miners Alliance.
#57 - 2013-09-05 15:07:05 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Navigation Boy wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Also you'd turn yourself in to a very attractive ganking target.

lawl.

An empty hulk with no modules is already an attractive ganking target.


Use a Mackinaw instead then. It can fit a really good tank it's yield is marginally lower than a Hulk's..

I don't use them at all, except on a (very rare) lark.

But my belief is that discussing how to fit a hulk to avoid ganking is a misdirection of effort. The ship costs 200 mil and has the ehp of a frigate. Let's get serious...




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