Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Personally I disagree. Several other people seem to agree with me. You are welcome to post proof and supporting evidence (preferably with exact numbers rather than eyeballed estimates) as this can only help the re-balancing process.

It's also worth noting that however these turn out the Pirate Battleships and Black-Ops Battleships are going to be balanced against these (possibly at the same time, we don't know what else is coming for Winter).

This means the former are likely to get a nerf at the top end and a buff at the low end. The Black-Ops class is probably in for a re-work. CCP talked before about splitting the class into combat and support roles so it'll be interesting to see if that holds up.



I'd be somewhat interested in what square you're talking about. I would say these ships are trading a little raw damage (they're still pretty high DPS) and mobility for overall heavier tank and better damage application along with pretty nice base ship stats. The Bastion further expands this with more tank and more damage projection at the expense of mobility.

The reason I would argue we don't need damage application is because this frees up module slots for things like Tracking Computers, Target Painters, Tracking Enhancers, ect. With the addition of a tracking bonus this would still be true but you could get rather ridiculous tracking out of the ship and potentially make it too much of a threat to smaller ship classes in PvP.

These ships have never been focused on mobility, if you want a "Skirmish Doctrine" then I suggest A-HAC gangs.

Yes please explain me more about Guristas null sec rating with uber Marauders with bastion module. That really makes all the difference and interesting indeed.

He gets it.

Your reasoning behind all of this falls into large gangs that a kronos would have no reason being in. How many bonused active tanked ships do you make fleet comps for?

Stay on subject, I don't care how you use your "friends" as a crutch.

Bottom line; all the advantages a marauder once had in pvp are now gone or were never fixed. Once this patch goes live every pilot in eve will understand that a pvper in a marauder is either bait or doesn't plan to fight. The whole reason people are up in arms about these ships is because none of their problems were fixed. They also cost more than the typical shield megathron......

After this patch I would much rather fly a megathron for pvp!

Then do so, marauders were never PvP ships from the start, it was possible to PvP in them by some interesting fits, but there core was always a PvE ship.

Personal favorite was the dual rep kronos. Could tank 2 vindis.......

Or the dual XL Ancil vargur that could nearly perma tank small gangs as long as it was fed cap boosters.

They were great for small gangs or 1 vs 5 situations.

CCP will probably agree with you there. They will now be PVE monsters and forever forgotten in the world of PVP.

How about the OP of this thread?

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This is not a PVE re-balance of the ships as they are not lacking in that department it is and as most who have noted the concerns are about the changes making sense for a PVP role. If anything all it does is mix things up for PVE and turning them into PVE monsters all the more.

"Look at the new mobility of Marauders now! Skirmishing in PvP!"

Please sir, please help me find my sides- I think they're just leaving Earth orbit now.

Putting these new Marauders into a 'skirmish fleet' is exactly like expecting a quad-plated abaddon to be able to keep up with a bunch of nano-stabbers. It's not happening.

In order for the Marauder to be useful in PvP it has to deploy Bastion Mode. Which makes it stationary. Which makes it far more of a 'point defense'/area denial style fighter, than a skirmisher. As a result, "Marauders" end up with the MOST MISLEADING NAME IN THE ENTIRE GAME. They're not even trying to make it better at PvP, and I don't think the devs have TRIED the new Marauders in PvP in their internal server. The only thing to my knowledge they've even really tested is the Kronos. In L4s.

These ships are completely paradoxical.

"Let's give them MJD bonuses, so they can blip 100km away when a threat appears!"
"Let's give them the Bastion Module, so they can become completely immobile for an entire minute and get extreme tank!"

At extreme range, tank is pointless. When this tank is necessary, RANGE is pointless. There's no synergy! The new Marauders are barely about 'harassment' or 'skirmishing'. They're about tactically redeploying themselves around a battlefield and trying (but failing) to be 'mini dreadnoughts'. And people have pointed out- look at how much they had to increase mass and decrease mobility. And how they didn't change base sensor strength at all despite that LITERALLY BEING THE ONLY REASON THEY ARE NOT THROWN AROUND MORE IN PVP RIGHT NOW. This is a clumsy change. There's no "Yes, this makes sense" factor regarding the stat alterations, in my opinion. They're extremely forced. The only improvements are in the PvE arena, and they're improving in areas that Marauders are already damn near perfect in- it's a moot point, basically.

See my posts here and here for possible alterations to Marauders that would actually make them competent in PvP, in situations that aren't so overwhelmingly niche so as to just not happen, period.