Player Features and Ideas Discussion

So basically ... this module is great idea ... step between subcaps and caps, but it lack offensive abilites, so its making it pretty much useless because it has very limited use in pve and even more limited use in pvp ...

Well ... why do i think that ...
In PVE marauders are alredy good tanked as they are now and since their active bonuses wont be touched they will still be as effective as they are, so no need of boosting into tank in most situations ...

Solo pvp with bastion will be something like this ... once enemies will see they cant break your tank they will just fly away from you and since u cant move they will eventualy gets off your scram range and warp away ...

Fleet pvp will be even worse ... in large fight with logis u wont turn bastion on because that would make u prime target adn in small fights marauder in bastion will be only less atractive target because his extreme tank, so enemies will focus on easier kills ...

Solution for this is pretty simple ... put small offensive bonus into bastion ... like 40% damage bonus and 20% tracking bonus (explosion velocity/radius for golem) and if there will ever be tech II version of bastion it could have 50%/25% bonus ...
This would make bastion atractive to use in pve because marauders will be able to finish whatever they will be flying in less time + bastion that will be mostly useless for L4 missions etc will have new atractive power to offer

Bigger damage output in solo pvp would also give marauder pilot chance to kill his enemy before he will be out of scram range so he coudl warp off and in fleet pvp it would make marauder bigger threat for enemies so they would have to break his big tank or deal with his large dps ...

MATHS TIEM

every 65 seconds you get to move 100km further. therefore with these ships you can kite anything that doesn't move:

100,000/65 = 1538 m/s.

This rules out everything slower than a HAC, and even their new MWD bonus might not be enough to save them when burning straight at a giant teleporting guntron.

this should be fun....

in other news, using 2 MJDs and one cooldown timer, you can be literally anywhere within a sphere 200km in radius within 70 second's notice. pretty nifty. and of course stop during the cooldown to take in the scenery and blap all the things. You don't need a range selector on your MJD, just learn geometry and jump twice. if it's 40km away, you will get there faster with two jumps than a MWD.

Also I read some bitter guy somewhere around page 7 that was really pissed at you for not giving Marauders T2 resists and making them basically better than T1 BS in every way, shoving them into obsolescence. I just wanted to pat you on the back, CCP, and say I understand. you poor thing.

In other news, I kinda agree with various people's views that you should either buff the tractor beam and add some kind of salvaging component, like dedicated salvage drone bay and bonuses, or scrap the whole all in one knock-em-down, scoop-em-up idea.

A web bonus is great for in your face battles, but for the most part these ships are designed to fight at range. Granted, we will see folks use their MJD's to land on top of their enemy, but to make the most of their abilities they'll use their bastion module and be immobile... meaning that unless they are stupid they will have other ships at hand to perform tackle and web.

you know that with removal of web bonus, you could be scrammed by an assault frig that can alsoturn your mjd off while few alpha ships pick you off? it's not for pvp. it was stated already

No it isn't. Or rather, if it is -- at any point -- please cite that directly and I'll correct it.



Which is probably why I used terms like "flight time" and gave velocities as a variable. That makes sense.

Yes, of course missiles take time to hit a target. I said nothing to the contrary. I also said nothing to affirm the point because that time has relatively little effect on range, which was, last I checked, the topic at hand.



No, that's ridiculous. Missiles, unlike turrets, do not have an optimal range. The term "optimal range" means something very specific to turrets, just as "falloff range" does.

Missiles just have something called "range". And if you'll take the time to go back to my example I pretty clearly acknowledged that point and specifically opted not to compare missile range to optimal or falloff but rather to optimal plus falloff. Which is something you get used to doing when you actually model these things with any regularity.

So yes, while missiles have an absolute range fudged by minor factors like target motion and turrets have optimal and falloff ranges, all of those ranges mean very different things. So we have to come up with some reasonable way to compare them, and doing so at missile absolute range and turret optimal plus half falloff is simply a reasonable middle ground.



I didn't. I also didn't bring up painter bonuses, the relative usefulness of webs for various weapon types, the lack of mid slot modules that directly affect missiles, or the recent Iranian elections. If you'd like to discuss any of these topics let me know but let's do so elsewhere. I specifically jumped in because you made a nonsensical comment about double range bonuses and would like to keep that central to the conversation.

Considering that they lost a fair portion of thier drone dps some sort of dmg boost would be nice, it does not have to be times crazy like the dreads, but a 50, or 100% dmg boost would make this worth something. The dammage projection is very nice, as is the tank, but i needs something a little extra.

Vargur becomes unbelievably ridiculous with that much powergrid.

Fit two XLASBs, two Invuln II, a DCU, and an SBA. You have a 15000 DPS tank (20k+ with crystals, even more with faction/deadspace mods) for one bastion cycle, as well as ALL your cap free to run 3 heavy neuts. Your 800mm ACs have better tracking than medium neutrons and can hit interceptors orbiting at long point range.

Just warp in, hit your bastion, tank the entire gang while you kill one or two things, when bastion expires activate MJD and neut out anything that could potentially scramble you.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out. Of course there will be a lot of complaints, there always is when something will need to be used differently than what people are used to.

Of course the use of MJD's is becoming commonly adopted by mission runners, so that opposition should die out fairly quickly.

For PVP use a group of Marauders would be an ideal compliment to a group of sentry wielding Domi's, since neither group relies on conventional mobility.

It might even be worth mounting that module (whose name I never can remember) that breaks target locks more effectively the more people are targeting you. With it's huge tank bonus in Bastion mode, combined with that module, it may not miss having a dedicated logistics chain at all. Note, that's pure speculation. I have not used that module myself. Although if a change in bonuses is considered a boost to that module might be an appropriate alternative.

i like how devs rebalanced other ship, but i think this time you chose wrong path.

this rebalance is a clear nerf to marauders without bastion mod in what was considered staple trait of kronos and paladin, web bonus. also reduction of drone bay, and big speed nerf can't go unnoticed.

But what we got is mod that allows to almost tank every mission/complex in game. What if i told you that we can do it already and bastion module doesn't improve anything in here? problem is those little pesky t2 npc frigs, that can get under your gun and without web bonuses, you'll start losing time to take them down because you'll often have to mjd away and back.

Would it be possible to change the tractor beam bonus for something more interesting? Maybe salvage drone bonus speed and effectiveness?

Also, could the sensor strength be improved a bit? Say, to normal levels? As they are with the proposed changes, Bastion EWAR immunity is not really an advantage, because 1. you have to go into Bastion mode to not be perma-jammed and 2. in Bastion mode you're actually very vulnerable to damage.