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Doed

Tyrfing Industries

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#7561 - 2013-11-12 09:55:53 UTC | Edited by: Doed

Kagura Nikon wrote:

Doed wrote:

Kagura Nikon wrote:

Xequecal wrote:

Jake Sake wrote:

Don't you get it? The moment you can put your ass in that ship you have already trained your Amarr Battleship skill to 5. That means you get +25% total cap at most early stage of your life with Paladin. Total amount of cap can be integrated in hull (as it's just one of hull's attributes, and was done in previous balancing of other ships). The more reasonable bonus would be -10% (or -5% or -7.5% or -3.75% any would do) to Energy weapon cap consumption as in some other cases. Or any other bonus, but something that not related to hull's attributes. Something like mentioned already weapon/module bonuses.

The Paladin's optimal range bonus is a way stronger than average bonus so you get a weaker bonus to balance it. How many battleships other than the Marauders get an range bonus and a damage bonus? Right, just the Machariel, otherwise known as the most overpowered ship in the game. The Paladin bonus is also an optimal bonus, which means you get 100% of your DPS for the whole range, unlike the falloff bonuses of the other 3 ships that get range + damage bonuses. It's not a "worthless bonus" any more than any of the other base hull bonuses on any other T2 ship.

And those other hull bonuse son t2 hulls, based on the t1 skills ahve been mostly removed trough tiercide. That is my point.

My original statement was that if they removed the range bonus for soemthiugn weaker like tracking Then they should integrate the cap bonus in the hull and give somethign on its place.

And what should be given in it's place ? that wouldn't be overpowered? if I may ask? Less cap use on guns with 4 turrets for even more ridiculous cap benefit to the Paladin?

As I stated, that would be moslty needed if the RANGE bonus was to be removed as the guy just before myoriginal post was requiring. On the current scenario, with the range bonus the "lost" bonus is acceptable. But if paladin lost its only POWERFUl bonus, then the cap bonus would need to be gone for basically anything useful.

Actually, it'd still be better than the Kronos even with a tracking bonus and the cap bonus. which is kinda funny. Pulse Paladin would actually be worse than Kronos for short range tracking stuff though. but overall the Paladin is better with Pulses than the Kronos is with Blasters aswell.

But yeah, the Kronos is balls compared to the Paladin and CPP refuses to acknowledge it.

Hell Bitch

Imperial Academy

Amarr Empire

Likes received: 32

#7562 - 2013-11-12 10:18:10 UTC | Edited by: Hell Bitch

Kagura Nikon wrote:

So let me get this right, all your posts full of capital letters and insults were actually about a theoretical Paladin that doesn't exist, apart from in your head, and you're calling people stupid because they don't get your imagined vision of what a Paladin would need if it was different to what we have, what are you smoking dude?

You've basically said that your argument stands up, but only if we twist reality to the point where we're discussing something that isn't happening.

Genius!

I think the Paladin needs 4 turret hardpoints, cos in my reality it has 8 highs, 4 launchers and 4 utility.

Kagura Nikon

Native Freshfood

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 2,148

#7563 - 2013-11-12 10:31:09 UTC

Hell ***** wrote:

Kagura Nikon wrote:

So let me get this right, all your posts full of capital letters and insults were actually about a theoretical Paladin that doesn't exist, apart from in your head, and your calling people stupid because they don't get your imagined vision of what a Paladin would need if it was different to what we have, what are you smoking dude?

You've basically said that your argument stands up, but only if we twist reality to the point where we're discussing something that isn't happening.

Insults? i did nto insult anyone. Peopel shoudl learn to read the covnersation before getting in middle of it. I was answering to another post that asked for the range bonus to be removed because it was too powerful

For god sake people, learn to use a forum, read the thread, not singleposts. This is not twitter!

"If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"

Debora Tsung

Perkone

Caldari State

Likes received: 1,487

#7564 - 2013-11-12 10:35:24 UTC

Kagura Nikon wrote:

I had a valid point a few hundret pages back. You can go look for it.

Also, chill man, it's just a game, in the end nobody will be hurting over it. Roll

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

Kagura Nikon

Native Freshfood

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 2,148

#7565 - 2013-11-12 10:41:53 UTC

Debora Tsung wrote:

Kagura Nikon wrote:

I had a valid point a few hundret pages back. You can go look for it.

Also, chill man, it's just a game, in the end nobody will be hurting over it. Roll

Not raging on you, jsut bafled on a person that half read a post that states that my other post was upon what another guy posted ignoring the part of another guy and transforming it in " imagination".

Too many people read these messages as twitter, these youglings that do not grasp what a FORUM is.

"If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"

Debora Tsung

Perkone

Caldari State

Likes received: 1,487

#7566 - 2013-11-12 10:47:11 UTC

Kagura Nikon wrote:

I know, but look at this threadnaught. Shocked

Reading the whole post history might lead to a flame war with one post per day per user. IF there's nothing else to do, like eating or sleeping.

Also I said chill because some of your typos looked like you were quite enraged at the time, I could almost feel your thoughts and how you wanted to strangle the other guy. ^_^

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

Sticky: AFK Cloaking Thread It's not pretty, but it's there.

The Chodak Void Alliance 332
Spc One The Chodak Void Alliance Likes received: 332	#7567 - 2013-11-12 10:51:39 UTC Hell * wrote: I think the Paladin needs 4 turret hardpoints, cos in my reality it has 8 highs, 4 launchers and 4 utility. 4 Launchers ? You can't fit launchers on paladin.

Kagura Nikon

Native Freshfood

Minmatar Republic

Likes received: 2,148

#7568 - 2013-11-12 10:52:40 UTC

Debora Tsung wrote:

Kagura Nikon wrote:

I know, but look at this threadnaught. Shocked

Nope, I just type horribly when I am typing fast while at work and alt tabing very fast.

"If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"

CODE.d 6,149
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d Likes received: 6,149	#7569 - 2013-11-12 15:19:51 UTC 1 Spc One wrote: 4 Launchers ? You can't fit launchers on paladin. Oh, let's not go there... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Shivanthar

Likes received: 171

#7570 - 2013-11-12 15:31:59 UTC | Edited by: Shivanthar

Lol, fun proposal:

Way 1 - For those, who want to maximize their dps instead of mission-salvage ability, giving all marauders 4 launcher hardpoints and including those in role bonus will make pvpers very happy :P

Way 2 - 8x Turret hardpoints (8x launcher for golem) with same role bonus.

Just look at that! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebza3WPo28U) Big smile

Wouldn't that be awesome? :P

_Half _the lies they tell about me **aren't **true.


Arthur Aihaken CODE.d Likes received: 6,149	#7571 - 2013-11-12 15:49:16 UTC I guess the new "Gone in 60 Seconds" RHML launcher will tie-in nicely with Bastion now that it has a 40-second reload. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Thaddeus Eggeras

Urkrathos Corp

Likes received: 216

#7572 - 2013-11-12 16:40:47 UTC

Golem -

High -
- Cruise Missile Launcher II - Scourge Fury Cruise Missile, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
- Cruise Missile Launcher II - Scourge Fury Cruise Missile, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
- Cruise Missile Launcher II - Scourge Fury Cruise Missile, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
- Cruise Missile Launcher II - Scourge Fury Cruise Missile, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile, Caldari Navy Scourge Cruise Missile
- Bastion Mode I
- Tractor Beam II
- Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I
- Heavy Diminishing Power System Drain I

Medium -
- Pith B-Type Large Shield Booster
- Shield Boost Amplifier II
- Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
- Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
- Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation
- Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation
- Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Low -
- Ballistic Control System II
- Ballistic Control System II
- Ballistic Control System II
- Damage Control

Rig -
- Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
- Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II

Drone -
- Warrior x5
- Hammerhead x5

Thoughts?

I fit this on SiSi, it seems to work pretty good. I plan to use it for L4s, so it should be more then enough for them. If you have to ask why the Meta 4s instead of T2s, then you shouldn't even comment. Everything fits, with a bit a room left over. With the NOSs off you get around 4m 30s. Does good DPS, great tank. Locks out to 118km plus so no need for a prop module. Web is mainly there to help the drones out, was thinking of putting an extender or another TP, but thought it's always nice to have a web haha.
Only question I had, is while in bastion Ewar isn't suppose to effect you, do neuts still effect you though?

Doed

Tyrfing Industries

Likes received: 62

#7573 - 2013-11-12 16:43:10 UTC

Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:

That's way overtanked for lvl 4's, might need another rigor or TP aswell

Mer88

Royal Amarr Institute

Amarr Empire

Likes received: 57

#7574 - 2013-11-12 16:44:05 UTC

Shivanthar wrote:

Wouldn't that be awesome? :P

hows way 1 different than what we have right now? way 2 is just silly .

stoicfaux

Likes received: 6,283

#7575 - 2013-11-12 17:10:18 UTC

Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:

Golem -

..blech...

Thoughts?

I fit this on SiSi, it seems to work pretty good. I plan to use it for L4s, so it should be more then enough for them. If you have to ask why the Meta 4s instead of T2s, then you shouldn't even comment. Everything fits, with a bit a room left over. With the NOSs off you get around 4m 30s. Does good DPS, great tank. Locks out to 118km plus so no need for a prop module. Web is mainly there to help the drones out, was thinking of putting an extender or another TP, but thought it's always nice to have a web haha.
Only question I had, is while in bastion Ewar isn't suppose to effect you, do neuts still effect you though?

Yes, neuts will still affect you.

With bastion mode, you get 400+ tank against EM/Therm 550-600 against other NPC types.
With missile speed rigs you will never have to volley count again. The 4th TP is to help make up for the lack of Rigors. Or you can fit two T2 Rigors instead. Doesn't really matter, IMO. However, with the missile speed rigs, you can run torpedoes for the few missions where torpedoes are better than cruise.
You have 8 minutes of cap with everything but the MWD running. Which is plenty to clear a pocket.
The MWD is there just because. It's not like you have enough cap to get very far while running it. Or you can replace it with a MJD.

[Rubicon Golem, New Setup 1]
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Ballistic Control System II

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Shadow Serpentis 100MN Microwarpdrive
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Mjolnir Fury Cruise Missile
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Small Tractor Beam II
Bastion Module I

Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Large Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II

Salvage Drone I x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hobgoblin II x5

Don't forget to pack a Mobile Depot with extra drones, cap modules, torp launchers, tank modules, an AB, salvagers, etc., in case you decide to change your fitting in the middle of a mission, e.g. add more tank, swap cruise for torps, etc..

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.


Thaddeus Eggeras Urkrathos Corp Likes received: 216	#7576 - 2013-11-12 17:13:34 UTC Nice fit, I will prob change out the web for another TP, but 3 and the Rigor is good enough. Also with cruise missiles I hit out to 222km, I can only lock to 118km, so I don't need speed rigs. I was thinking torps, but I rather just be lazy and sit there haha.

stoicfaux

Likes received: 6,283

#7577 - 2013-11-12 18:03:01 UTC

Thaddeus Eggeras wrote:

Nice fit, I will prob change out the web for another TP, but 3 and the Rigor is good enough. Also with cruise missiles I hit out to 222km, I can only lock to 118km, so I don't need speed rigs. I was thinking torps, but I rather just be lazy and sit there haha.

The speed rigs eliminate DPS loss to bad volley counting. Cruise have an ~8.4s cycle, missiles are traveling at 17km/s, so you don't have to volley count out to ~100km.

Or without the speed rigs, you shouldn't have to volley count out to ~80km.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.

Spc One

The Chodak

Void Alliance

Likes received: 332

#7578 - 2013-11-12 18:07:56 UTC | Edited by: Spc One

stoicfaux wrote:

Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Shadow Serpentis 100MN Microwarpdrive
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron
Phased Weapon Navigation Array Generation Extron

Civilian shield booster is enough, don't you know ?
Lol

And you need 1 more target painter, 4 are not enough, you need 5.

Republic Military Tax Avoiders 652
Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris Republic Military Tax Avoiders Likes received: 652	#7579 - 2013-11-12 18:29:39 UTC \| Edited by: Kirimeena D'Zbrkesbris http://clip2net.com/clip/m214363/1384281073-clip-91kb.png Opinions are like assholes. Everybody got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.