Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It's the same with AFK cloaking or paid name change threads.

I think it's some kind of sublime falsified message or subconsious instinct "If one question is asked often enough, it'll somehow become a valid, sensible and logically request backed up by everyone."

There are no dev responses in this thread to read on the subject of Maurader/RHML

If I missed that can you supply #number so I can see please.

If you have something useful to add don't be shy.

If you have nothing to add why bother convoluting the thread ?

Making incorrect assumptions and statements as to what I may or may not have done isnt very constuctive is it !
But then some people just like to jump up and down and wave there arms around for attention don't they.

theres a whole thread about it:
[Rubicon] Rapid Heavy Missile Launchers

now i hear you saying: "but theres nothing about the Golem !!!!!11111"

right but let me ask you a question:
what would make the golem not op haveing bonuses applied that other bs have?





i believe hes referring to ccp saying the thought about replacing tp bonus with explosion radius....

to this i say leave my precious tp bonus its actually better than a expl. bonus anyway

im saying if you seriously think having bonuses apply other than those who affect the number of effective launchers (missile velocity is debateable though), wont break the game ballance your insane or stupid you may choose which.
if you seriously think thos bonuses should apply plz post in the RHML thread cause it concerns the launcher not the golem....

you may have a point in pvp but in pve the only ewar immune ship i can think of is zor.
the pve use of autotargetting missiles is .... lets call it limited
despite all that with tps you can help your fleet in wh' incursions and in pvp too...
last don't see any reason why the non existence of a tc bonus should prohibit the exsitence of a tp bonus

http://www.eveonline.com/rubicon/features/rebalancing-and-roles/


If Marauders are indeed supposed to excel at "harassment", then why not just make them a tad faster (they should really be almost as fast as T1s). This would certainly help outside of Bastion mode.

• Paladin (proposed) = 110 m/s (+10) … Paladin (new) = 100 m/s, Paladin (old) = 105 m/s, Apocalypse = 113 m/s, Navy Apocalypse = 120 m/s
• Golem (proposed) = 110 m/s (+10) … Golem (new) = 100 m/s, Golem (old) = 105 m/s, Raven = 113 m/s, Navy Raven = 123 m/s
• Kronos (proposed) = 115 m/s (+10) … Kronos (new) = 105 m/s, Kronos (old) = 120 m/s, Megathron = 122 m/s, Navy Megathron = 130 m/s
• Vargur (proposed) = 120 m/s (+10) … Vargur (new) = 110 m/s, Vargur (old) = 130 m/s, Tempest = 127 m/s, Navy Tempest = 130 m/s

As for the Golem, the TP bonus is fine - but it should still receive the 100% damage bonus for the RHMLs.

I too usually don't get responses of the kind I expect. Welcome to the club. ;)

There is a nerf and there is a nerf. Ship's reduction could be by 5m/s, by 20m/s and by 100m/s. The first would be practically irrelevant, the last one would be really crippling. And the middle one, well, we're talking about it. I do not argue that this speed decrease is insignificant. And I too understand the lore that Minmatars are supposed to be fast and nimble. What I discussed were consequences of this nerf, which in my opinion, based both on theoretical analysis and practical tests, aren't that severe. They are, of course, just not to the point of making ship useless.


Since you asked nicely I'd reply even if you tried to be spiteful.

I do not have complete answer to this question as this is still fresh idea and I still learn how to use the stuff. I can repeat what I stated earlier in this thread: if you try to fly marauders old way you will feel bigger or lower nerf. The trick is to use both bastion and MJD. Really. Contrary to what you wrote, bastion shouldn't be used only for ohcrap moments. To get best from the ship you should learn when you need and when you don't need to be deployed.

Same for MJD, the best situation is if you can keep leapfrogging from group to group. Usually you can't but you can use your mobility, be it with MWD, AB or just slowboating, to get into such position that next MJD be used best. Takes bit of spatial thinking and bit of forward thinking. You need to be aware where you are and where you want to be in the next minute.

Let me repeat, bastion and MJD should be used on tactical, not strategical level. I'm still learning to use them properly and this is the best information: if using them wrong (MJD when misaligned, forgot to turn off bastion, etc) gets me results which are already better than on TQ, go figure what it's gonna be when I achieve actual proficiency.


Perhaps you didn't. What I'm saying is that with those fits I use, bastion is the fourth dmg application module. Since it's stacked, its effect is rather mediocre. Taking into account what I wrote above, when you use bastion on regular basis, you can and should drop a little from tank and/or from application. For example, on Vargur I use 2xTE + 1xTC and when bastioned I rescript TC for tracking, as every bit helps in falloff range.

This way or another, much better effect you will get with combination of MJD and other propulsion to get into range quick.


On first impulse I wanted to discuss about using sentries with fast ships but I decided against. Point is, I really prefer talking about such things in terms of performance. EFT is a great tool and has its place but I'd really, really, really like to have discussion of the kind: "all other things being equal, when I fly A ship this way I get X ticks and when I fly B ship that way I get Y ticks". I'm a bit fed up with stats analysis, esp. since the changes are available on test server.

And regarding your last sentence, you have it and it's just you hate to use bastion/MJD. Fair enough but so far the balance, regarding my Vargur, looks like this:

SiSi Vargur + bastion + MJD >= TQ Vargur > SiSi Vargur naked

Thread is soon 400 pages long. Do you expect everyone to read everything? Common questions and matters that worry people the most should be answered in the main post call it a faq if you like.

Question: I want to look at using the paladin, should I look at tachyons, mega beams or mega pulse? I do not have T2 gun skills on sisi yet and have never used laser weapons at all ever. I want to compare, even a low skilled paladin against a vargur running sansha/blood missions.

Tested it. Without Scorch I'm better off using Tachs and even though the dps is over 300 lower with my skills than the Vargur it was able to do the same mission in 16min instead of the 13min it took the vargur. My testing affirms what I stated earlier in this thread, the paladin will obliterate Sansha and blood missions because they do love orbiting at 50km and thats well within your optimal. With Pulse and Scorch and the bastion bonuses making so you can fit more heat sinks and use the MJD more I might just train for a palladin and use either it or the vargur depending on what mission I'm running.

The tank seemed a bit weaker though but more testing will be required. Might just use the depo to slap on another ENAM when needed.

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I noticed you changed your rigs. There may be hope for you yet xD! At anyrate, i assume you posted the fit cause you'd like some review so here are a few things to consider,

= RF gyros =
Granted you may not wanna change all four, but at least 3 (the difference in benefit between RF and T2 by the fourth is small due to stacking penalties). I know you're on sisi atm and may not have access, but it is really something to consider. Changing all gyros to RF is around a 4.3% increase to DPS with your fit but it has another benefit as u'll see:

= Changing Collision II to Burst II =
On a bare bones T2 fit before implants your dps will increase less than 1% (~0.81%), kinda meh, but it doesnt scale the way you might think. For example, lets say you move to RF gyros, the difference between the Collision II and Burst II is now ~2.73%.
Just a secondary perk of this change: i dont really have hard numbers for it, it will depend on your skills and implants as well, but this should help prevent overkill. my AC and all related gunnery skills are maxed. Lightly tanked cruisers are 1 shot and normal cruisers are 2 shot most of the time. frigs are normally killed in less than a full volley. As to the weight of total dmg increase due to a decrease in overkill... I have no idea and it would depend on the mission.

= More =
SS tracking comps (1.7% dmg inc @ 40km if all changed, but 2 SS TCs -> 3 T2 TC (~2.6%) (compared with current fit)

drop a tracking comp for another prop (yeah, ull lose out on 2.6% @40KM, but moving ~2KM closer will inc dmg by ~2.85% on your current fit and of course that 2.85% will continue to increase the closer you get + most missions dont really need a mjd, so if you wanted to you could add the tc back when you dont need to jump. Most missions you dont need to jump anyway.)

avoid using bastion to make use of mobility

I know you disagree with me about the latter 2 points, but im hopeful after seeing you make the rig change, so imma make this attempt! If you like some of these suggestions and decide to modify your fit, I have a hunch you will start to... well, maybe not agree with me, but see and understand my point of view on these vargur changes xD.