Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Well, I'm not going to get into a discussion of the new stuff and the relative balance between the ships themselves. Many have already posted on this.

But I am going to criticize you guys for creating a huge racial backstory inconsistency -

Painters are the Minmatar ewar. And it is frankly the weakest ewar. You have taken the painter/web ewar components away from all the other Marauders, but it is still there on the Golem.

Now I suppose you think it has to stay to help the Torps mainly. But you are leaving a minmatar ewar bonus on a ship that is Caldari, while the Minmatar ship in the ship class has none. You have already given the 10% (imo overdone, other races usually only get 7.5%) range bonus to the ship. Now you could break that in half and distribute it to the two bonus positions. But I know you won't.

So if you must give a painter bonus to this ship why not make it an optimal bonus? Painters have a short optimal. And, it seems to me that optimal bonuses are a Caldari thing. This would make more sense to the thematic regime of bonuses you have set up. Caldari scientists tinkered with a painter they had captured and figured out how to extend the optimal (maybe 5% per level, no more Caldari 10% bonuses bullshit please). The way you have the bonus now means they tinkered with the captured painter mechanism and made it stronger and better Which would be quite insulting to all the poor Minmatar scientists.

So, please find a different bonus to replace the painter bonus, or change it to an optimal bonus. Thanks.

Even if it did have tackle - so what? It's a cyno bait ship. It needs enough tank to gain tackle, light a cyno and then survive until RR lands - feats which are already readily possible with very many ships. It's just an unnecessarily expensive and obvious way of doing the same old trick.

Painters are not short-ranged, they have 45 km optimal and 90 km falloff, this means a 77% hit chance at 100 km. An optimal bonus to painters on the Golem would be stupid.

How about a comedy bonus to ECM Burst range and strength instead though?

It means the module does not suffer from the law of diminishing returns, and does not add to or get effected by any such penalty from other resist modules.

Say your shield resists, after tank mods, somehow managed to be 50% across the board. Turning on Bastion would put you at 65% across the board (30% of the remaining 50% not resisted = 15%).

Ytterbium confirmed this will work alongside a DC as well, which means Bastion mode will carry a 72% hull omni-resist amount with a DC running at the same time.

I agree with what you say. But I think you also needed to add - **** up small ships from zero to max range.

Also, see my above post. The Golem already has an application bonus that is incongruous and probably overdone.

This is the suggestion for direction change that I agree with. There was something bothering me about the base concept, and this is it. While I love the concept of the mini-Dread, the Marauders seem like the wrong hull to put it on. Marauders are supposed to be fast, hard-hitting monsters, guerillas, hit and run, at least conceptually. The Maelstrom hull on the Minmatar side would make more sense as the big brick mini-Dread. It already excels at loading up big guns and big tank. This would be a natural extension. The Tempest (Vargur) hull should be fast and mobile.

So what can I say that's helpful: improve the mobility and slipperiness of the Marauders. Most of the hull changes as they stand make every ship weaker and slower to account for Bastion. Roll them back, then go the other way. Make them faster, give them something like the deep space +2 warp strength, fix their sensors. Hell, harden their sensors so they're tough to crack. Leave the powergrid upgrades, they allow for versatility. Improve the tractor bonuses, put the drone bays back, give them salvaging/salvaging drone bonuses. Keep the MJD bonus, it's awesome and is in line with the slipperiness. You'll even see some crazy dual prop fits that can burn and blink. Hell, give them a role bonus that reduces signature radius. That'll have people foaming at the mouth. (Not saying all of these things simultaneously, just, the general idea)

You want them back in the PvP game, there they are. They'll see low-sec deployment in no time. Mission runners still have an awesome ship, and far less need to bring a Noctis. And when that agent brings them a low-sec mission their first reaction won't be '****, now I need another mission.' It'll be 'Hmm... that might be worth the risk, and some good adrenaline.'

I quite like your comedy bonus. And frankly it would be more appropriate. And some might even prefer it.

But anyway, would you have this ship keep a strength bonus on painters? It makes no sense either way imo. But it makes less no sense to make it an optimal bonus.

Ya, I do want to append one comment- the idea of adding a siege to marauders is really cool. The idea of "fast MJD" is also really cool, I just don't really think "big tank" is enough of a bonus to use it in PVP outside of really niche things.

while all this together sounds a little over the top, i agree with the general idea. the mjd bonus, together with a scan resolution and mobility buff would be more than enough to make marauders viable while keeping them under control pve wise.
if you insist on having a mini-dread, hey there is still one battleship hull per race that has no T2 equivalent

Hm i did expect marauders to become more usable now i am not so sure

Nerf dps.

Nerf speed and agility.

Nerf shields armor and hull.

These ships in this state went wrong way this don't help in missions they wore already overtanked(in mission running terms) with pretty much useless tank and now they got even more of it and even less dps.

For incursions they already was to slim on hit points to the point if i try to mimic fleet fitting doctrine(max results) ship would be close to death too many times to be viable used as such..this got even worse with nerfing their tank across the board.

I don't see how mini siege will help there, local tank will not hold and fitting it as such will waste slots being special snowflake will get you killed .

So lack of dps/lack of drones/lack of speed and or agility/lack of usability to higher end PVE and opening ship to be viable fleet ship did not get addressed with this re balance.

It will still be multimillion SP boat with isolated niche thingy locked in bad performance pve of basic flavor.. and some isk wasting pvp endeavors.

I expected more but i am excited to see how they pan out.

Some ideas of mine would be

that drone bays got buffed and usable until you hit Bastion module and for the luw of god don't destroy ship in one mode just to have siege module on board(don't nerf hit points in standard mode).So that ppl don't loose marauder that they used for so long.

Why is speed/agility nerfed what difference does it make mjd will work the same does it not?

Make Vargur's awesome transform animation or else...