Player Features and Ideas Discussion

perhaps i should clarify - i meant an equal number of marauders vs an equal number of other ships like a group of 5 marauders vs a group of 5 ships which are not marauders

1. Its not debatable, its just wrong. Remove tracking bonuses from all marauders and force them to use Target Painters by wasting med slots, or delete target painter bonus on Golem to place this ship in line with others.

2. Golem got cap intensive shield tank which uses.. med slots, and if u equip MJD, cap injector/recharge and TP in very same med slots, u got only 4 slots left for tanking mods. Compare this to other marauders who can use their ship bonuses and have 7 slots tank in same time.

3. Kronos, Paladin and Vargur got additional damage bonus (5% to damage or 5% to rof) while Golem is the only one who doesnt got damage bonus. Argument that Golem can choose damage is false since Vargur can do it too and he got that bonus. Not to mention fact that all other marauders deals insta damage, while Golem missiles need to fly to target (target which can just warp off). Thats why Golem should be on prefered status in case of ship bonuses, not the opposite. Lets face it, Golem is the last ship in case of PVP.

4. Last but not least. Since bastion module will make them immune to tracking disruptors (in favour of 3 marauders using turrets), will bastion module make Golem immune from defender missiles too? How many times people need to ask this question for u to answer

so removing tp for golem is great for cruise missiles but what will happen to torpedos? or do you ignore torp users since everyone seems to favor cruise.

also, you cant compare golem to vargur. yes both can select damage. but vargur damage is crap pass 40kms while cruise missiles do 100% damage at 100km+. i think cruise got the better deal for a few seconds of delay damage.

4. i could agree with this but then again, all npc types use defenders but only amar npc use tracking disruptors so it might seem unfair to get such a bonus.

Eh? At that range they have their pseudo-MWDs on and are suffering from huge sig bloom.


And what Angel missions are actually close range missions? It seems like there's always one spawn that's waaaay out there. And since Javelins can't compare to Fury Cruise, there's not much point in using torps on a Golem anymore.



Quite the opposite. In terms of level 4s, Bastion means you can mount a one slot tank (Pithum C-Type MSB,) 4-5 TPs, and a prop mod or two. You'll have a ~400+ perma-ish tank against most enemies in Bastion. For, Sansha/BR or Mercs, fit an Invul II.

Slap on some speed rigs and those cruise missiles can go up 18km/s (no more volley counting.) 4-5TPs will make up for not having Rigors. Or mount Rigors, b/c even at 13km/s volley counting isn't a problem.

Rubicon Marauders are now insanely easy mode for level 4s due to the Bastion module. A scorch Paladin can effectively perma-run a MARII (with 2xEANMIIs for tank) and 4 Pulses with Scorch with 95km optimal. A Cruise Golem is probably the laziest thing to fly (or would be if you could group TPs.) A Vargur can mount 4 Gyros, a DCU, 3x TCs, MJD, MWD and Pithum C MSB for 74km of falloff (however, it's the only one that actually needs the MJD to minimize DPS loss to falloff) and ~480 perma-ish tank against Angels.


And as for the deployable tractor, there's a 45 second activation delay. And I'm willing to bet they just tractor the nearest thing, i.e. firgates, instead of cherry-picking the more valuable, larger ship wrecks.


Seriously, can we quit whining about Rubicon Marauders in level 4s? The only people who have valid complaints are those can afford losing a billion isk hull in PvP, and those who need the webs for Incursions, WHs, and similar.

i think the people who will be benefited the most are null sec anomalies runners. The massive tank + stationary nature of the bastion is perfect for such activity.

use rigor rigs.....
why rigor and not flare? figure out your self :Missile Mechanics

Ps.: donst skip the chapter about practical application and minimum velocity factor most people dont know about these...

I think that bastion mode would have made way more sense if level 5's were in high sec.... (no no one will send a marauder into low sec just for a minimal increase in income compared to level 4 ś)



Overal the marauder changes failed at star, when CCP decided to not increase the damage bar, an ERROR.

THe bar is already increasded in several places and we have a HUGE gap between battleship and capital ships, while the gap between a t1 cruiser and a battleships is muuuch smaller.


Overal the whole Battleship size needs help, they do not feel battleanything. All except the pirate ones, the pirate ones are the ONLY battleship sized vessels that can really excel at their role.

An no fancy overtankign gonna make marauders copensate the MASSIVE damage difference from a vindicator for example.

Speaking of, had any WH dweller commented on marauders' performance out there? I'm genuinely curious.

Face role?

A role is not somethign taht you take from your head from your desires. Is somethign you take from real world need (real world being TQ in this case)

There is no need for a ship that can tank a crapton more than any solo content PVE can dish at it. There is no role for marauders, they do not feel any NEED that players had. Using a marauder still is worse for L4 missions , because makes less isk per hour than pirate battleships, and rubicon marauders will do even less.

Incursions its not place for a ship designed to not be targeteable by remote repair.


Your wishful thinking is NOT a role! TANKING is not a role! Running level 4 better than other high end ships is a role, close support in PVP is a role, neutralizing in PVP is a role, Tackling is a role. Tanking capability is a TOOL , that can be used in a role.. but does nto make a role on its own.