Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you arent using at least faction gyro and TCs on any projectile mission ship, you are doing it wrong. (I assume you prolly cant on the test server because you havent fit any of your existing ships, and therefore do not have access to them on the test server). A shiny tank tank will help prevent you from having to use bastion mode while reducing slots and cap use, which equals faster clear times and more isk


This is just incorrect. especially with the fit you are using. I keep telling you to swap the rigs to burst II ambit I. Why is that? because in ur tech II fit with 3 tracking comps at optimal + a te + an ambit II, your opt/falloff should be around 4.4+75 at lvl V. If you add another ambit II, your opt falloff is 4.4+75. you are wasting a T2 rig via stacking penalties. More over, if you should activate bastion, your opt falloff becomes 4.8+76, and ull gain around 5 dps or so.

"BUT... BUT... Tracking".... If you go back a few pages i did a breakdown of using 2 v 3 tracking comps on a properly rigged vargur. You are better off dropping the extra tc for dual prop on missions that require the jumpdrive, or using it for tank and dropping bastion.

Bastion locks you down for a whole minute, and assuming proper rigs, 2 tc on mobile, 3 on bastion, at 40km the rubicon vargur only needs to move 4km to match the dmg [quick note for transparency, i had quoted 2km a few pages back, i realized tonight that the tq vargur build used in that comparison had a range implant while the rubicon marauder did not]..... it can do that with an ab II in around 10.5 seconds, after than the dmg potential is much higher, and the mobile vargur can maintain that dmg bonus for longer than a minute because after the bastion cycle the bastioned marauder still needs to make up the difference.


remember that its a 9-12 cycle , 1 min cd, 9-12 sec cycle. the total time is 78 - 84 seconds to reach the gate.
an after burner II at level 5 is 375m/s needing to travel with 2.5k of the 30k gate.... 73.33 seconds.... and you can always fit a better ab... Also, the AB / MWD is necessary when while mjd would otherwise be on cd, so that you can increase dmg with your mobility.

On other point, assuming the ab II speed, (and you should really do your own homework here), it isnt going to significantly reduce your dmg via increase angular until the ships reach a distance that would otherwise lower your dmg by jumping due to the difference in distance.



The nerfs are not minor and the vargur becomes less flexible for 4s. It received all of these nerf for a bastion module that it shouldnt use aside from the few heavy ewar missions.

concerning dual prop, it will be much better than that 3rd tc... just saying, but what good is slotting a mjd on most missions that wont benefit from it at all?

why catas and tornadoes for siucide gank ? u can use taloses with 1.8k dps. just 3-4 of them or more. dont forget that marauders T2 ships and have T2 salvage and if you are lucky salvage can cost be more than original hull.

Take it to low-sec to duel it out already guys...
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Totally off-topic question... With Bastion, have we just seen the end of non-Covert travel into low-sec? How would you possibly break a gate camp with even one of these things sitting off the gate?

When it comes to gate camps, I wouldn't be worried about a bs with a slow lock time.
What I would be worried about are tier 3 BCs and insta scram ships.

look its patentlu clear that you have no idea what bastion is or does if you think a single dessie will do more than die in a fire. ive taken full room aggro on vengeance and not had to so much as pulse the shield repper.

yes a couple of taloses might be able to do it but at around 70 - 80 mill each you will not be makimg any isk because there wont be enough bling since its over tanked with t2 equipment.

nor would t2 salvage even remotely cover your costs.

salvage depends on your luck. it could cost as marauder itself. if salvage is half of it. then 4 taloses are noneplused on isk from salvage. but we have loot from wreck like gyros and other things.

Trawlers in space.

Currently the Tractor structure can reach out to 125km and tractors at a velocity of 2km/sec. Its capacity is just below that of a jetcan, 27000m3. These stats are subject to change.

Marauders don't need their tractor bonus looked at.. oh no, not at all.. /s

At least the structure only tractors one thing at a time and has a 10sec delay between targets.

Well at max skill they have an optimal of 45km and a falloff of 90km so total range of 135km

Considering the range of torps I'd say paints synergise perfectly well with torps and still have decent to good effect at 80km or so. I used paints a lot in C5 sites on the loki and they always hit at ranges of 55km. I think it's a case of they hot or they dont hit, not reduced effectiveness of a hit.

Reading up on it (seems reliable info) it seems you have 50% chance to hit with paints at 135km. so 100% hit rate up to 45km then I guess linear drop off to 50% at 135km. Considering the amount of free mid slots you will have because of bastion you can afford to fit an extra paint so I'd say bastion IMPROVES your paints, in a way, over normal ships by virtue of fitting more of them so if one misses it doesnt matter.