Player Features and Ideas Discussion

what a stupid view.. your perspective is wrong, it is an economy based pvp game, imho.. you cant do any **** without isk in this game.. make money, fit ships, train skills for purpose then get in action.. or you are the one who just watched "50 rookieships vs X" on youtube and jumped in? also how goons won fountain war earlier and easier than they expected..

and what a stupid reason for marauder's changing you pointed.. marauders changing for pvp but still will have a pathetic tractor bonus that is complately useless in pvp.. you are ruining everything, cos you have no idea how it works, you seem just want to screw "mostly PVE with some PVP" players(u can call them casual) of fun in this game..

you want a really good addition to pvp, there are Black OP the twin sisters of Marauders,but no!?! thats the proof of your real faces i mention above.. also NOTHING in this game for only PVP, look at NULL(0.0) ally/corp adverts(same for WH folks).. they are there for rich resources and making isk faster than hisec..

Yeah, but RNI has much better cap AND cap recharge.
It has more EHP, smaller sig, higher mobility.
Point is, RNI is a much better ship all around.
However, bastion does give Golem some much needed love to make it a valid option.

If you'd have read any of my older posts you would see that even though I love bastion, I don't think it needed anything but pure buffs to the hull and then maybe give bastion some fitting penalties to ensure people aren't running around with a ship that has two alternate capabilities that could be changed with a click.

I have read some posts but no not all 7000 just a few after each update, I guessed that someone must have mentioned it before, anyway it's a shame that they are sticking to the original changes, personally I don't think it changes much but the play style slightly which of course is going to upset those that enjoy how the current marauders work, however change is as good as a holiday, so keeping an open mind until I can test the changes myself.

POSs in high sec are already hard enough to destroy without a large fleet.
Last thing we need to do is make them untankable when they're auto targeting.

I've been testing 2 Paladins on Sisi.

First one, T2 tachyons and a Core B LAR plus MJD.
Second one, T2 pulses and a Corpus A LAR plus MWD.
Differences are to help keep cap somewhat stable and/or base mobility on gun systems (Aurora can hit up to 253km optimal while Scorch can hit up to 96km optimal, both while Bastioned)

Results show that on most sites, the new Paladin beats hands down, the TQ Paladin. Having Scorch hit at 96km with 901 DPS basically beats tachyons hands down. I found myself finishing sites rather quickly with the pulse mwd fit, and only using the tachs on The Blockade or Massive Attack (both against Sansha).

I'm pretty happy with the new Paladin, especially considering how they lost weight (both on stats and model, the fat apoc does not fit such an elegant lady). I'm using 2 ANPs and Bastion as tank, which is lesser than that of my Vargur, but I haven't had issues at all with the tank, and the fact that I'm nowhere near stable. Silencing the guns for a while allow the implants and the IN Power Relay to recharge my cap fast enough while keeping the LAR running.

Overall, I'm happy with the new Paladin. The Vargur has me somewhat disappointed still, but I think I can live with it (since 1400s while never get redone and fixed, and ACs will still suck DPS wise vs. pulses, especially with that optimal hull bonus). The cap per level bonus is still a waste, but I see that having tracking on top would be too much. As it is, I'm reaching 1300 dps at 32km with Conflag with my fit, setup and skills, while keeping a decent tank while in bastion. In short, good job CCP on the Paladin alone. I haven't tested Kronos nor Golem though.

Just a side note, if anyone is willing to throw some constructive criticism my way, isn't the concept of adding a new, really weird arsed module in normal slots, that only works on 4 hulls in the entire game, and seems also to have a rather razor thin usage line a little outside of the current EVE mechanics?

I'm not saying it's good or bad atm, It just sort of "feels" wrong. Maybe Adding a single T3 "class" slot that can either contain a Bastion module or not, that later could maybe-sorta-kinda maybe contain another T3 style module would have seen more logical ... or is it just me?

The T3 slots mechanics were already in place, and work fine with the current T3 configurations ... did anyone read why it might have been made a high slot?

Would'nt T3 Battleships a complete ass to balance? I thought CCP was having merry hell with the cruisers already?

The only reason I mentioned adding a T3 type slot was basically because by making it a high slot they also had to look at the fact that now that high slot can also be used to mount other things, while a T3 type slot would not change the hull as much. But yea, I still don't grasp changes to hulls well yet, unlike a lot of others that predict what min-maxing may cause.

I guess it would be weird when people want to fly Marauders without Bastion, and have an empty T3 slot, while now you cant undock without all the T3 slots full.

... maybe CCP could just add another T3 Marauder sub that activates full Gundam mode so we can go melee, using the same mechanics as the QWOP game.

After I've been playing with Kronos and Vargur a lot on Sisi during the weekend, I can say that they are really fun ships to fly (however, I can't fly Marauders on TQ so I'm not qualified to say whether they were better before the changes or not - I can only say that I'm pleased that the drone bay wasn't nerfed as it was initially planned).
And while the Bastion module can be a double-edged sword (or even a certain death if there's a Dread on grid), it certainly can be a life saver in some situations. My only gripe is the lack of T2 Bastion module (which would naturally require High Energy Physics V, but give 20% better bonuses - at least to optimal, falloff and missile velocity, much continuing the spirit T2 Siege and Triage modules).
I also went WTF after trying the Bastion on the undock and being unable to dock after it expired due to weapons timer but I suppose that makes sense since people would turn it on when they want to deaggress in range of gates/stations.

I played a little more with the vargur and just wanted to log some feedback on the thread.

I have decided to give up on the notion of a 'optional bastion mode' and am switching focus to making the vargur work well with limited mobility.

In PvE, the vargur feels like it is missing something in the offensive spectrum:

= 1400 fits =
1400s kinda suck compared to other long range weapon systems. They are all about dat alpha. Other than that, the sustained dps is poor, which doesn't suit PvE well. This makes AC fits (as with the TQ version) a preferred choice.

= AC fits =
The typical minmatar mobility compliments ACs well because ACs live in falloff. However, ACs don't sync well with the marauders' version of mobility, esp in bastion mode. This lack of synergy is compounded by the stacking penalities and untraditional 1:1 optimal/falloff projection bonus given by bastion.

= Suggestions =
Keep in mind I'm just spitballing and i am by no means saying that all of these suggestions should be done:

Set bastion's falloff bonus to twice the value of the optimal bonus (possibly in conjunction with reducing the optimal bonus).

Remove bastion's stacking penalty (possibly in conjunction with the prior suggestion)

Add additional falloff the vargur hull.

Add additional dps via bandwidth/ sentry drones to increase overall dmg at range with the vargur

Add additional turret dps to the vargur