Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Most Faction battleships will outperform Marauders on L4s as well.

It's a cost vs performance issue though. The main reason to use a marauder is that it literally cuts your ISK spending in half, at least for the golem. Since you get similar DPS to an RNI,maybe slightly lower, but overall your mission running is pretty much identicalin terms of time spent, only you are spending 50% less on ammo costs AND it leaves three high slots open for salvage and tractor beams. Fit salvage drones and you can clean up as you kill = more profitable overall.

A Nightmare will stomp all over any marauder in missions; and it shares the advantage of using half the ammo.

I have been flying a nightmare for the past year.
It certainly doesn't perform anywhere near as good as a bastion golem.
I haven't flown the other marauders, but I'm certain they can all outperform with bastion and long range as well.

I'm not lying, and I haven't tested it (full disclosure). But since I run an insane amount of L4s, I can tell you flat out that the RNI I use will easily outperform the Golem - and it's not just because of the DPS from the two extra Sentry drones. With three rigors and the explosion radius bonus on the RNI I'm hitting for under 100m - which means I'm doing almost full damage to cruisers without the need for target painters. Also, because the RNI sports 8 launchers I take less of a DPS loss from NPC defender missiles. Not only that, but I can pre-load a wider assortment of ammo because I have twice the launchers.

Sure, the Golem will definitely out tank a RNI - to be certain. But since my effective combat range is 100km and I tank most of the damage with an orbit/afterburner, I don't really need much. The Golem is stationary, so if it has to activate its tank there's a good chance it needs all of it and more. The Golem will also out-salvage my RNI, but again - I'm not using my RNI for salvage.

I could also point out that for the price and training required to run a Golem, I could run two nicely fit Ravens with a RHML setup that would literally run circles around the Golem in an L4. Golems have less passive tank, so it also makes them a more expensive gank target. I know you don't care, I don't really care for the Golem (the third iteration is definitely the best of the mix, but still falls short of what it could've potentially been) - but since you took the time to reply I did the same.

Don't like it (Golem), won't use it (Golem). Plus I hate the color.


^^ This guy gets it.


^^ Also gets it. And the Nightmare isn't even a Machariel or Vindicator, either. This isn't to say Marauders suck. Maybe they're well-suited for a different aspect of gameplay (such as L5s). But L4s, Marauders are the low hanging fruit.


Well, I can run a Raven for 1/8th the cost of a Golem and a fraction of the SP requirements. That's a lot of free ammo. Sure, Marauders can salvage - but they're dreadfully slow at getting around - and nothing outperforms a Noctis. Again, not saying Marauders suck - just not for me (and I suspect a lot of players).

You can now park in some anoms and have your blasters hit everything.

the new Golem's "wings" are horrible while i like the new cocpit/mid section

Here's an idea: Give each Marauder two (2) additional launchers -or- two (2) additional turrets (not both), just to give Marauders a bit of anti-frigate/cruiser capability. Since they'd be light or medium weapons, they won't receive any of the hull bonuses, with any DPS increase being a bare minimum. As far as that goes, if we're talking light weapons here - why not give them four (4) additional launchers or turrets.

If need be, increase the grid and CPU cost of Bastion to prevent abuse (I haven't played around with the Marauder fits, so maybe it's extremely tight for grid and CPU already; I don't think you could run any additional large turrets or launchers even with an ancillary rig - possibly a pair of mediums or a quad stack of lights, but that's probably it). In theory I guess you could possibly get away with a fifth large launcher or turret, but I imagine you'd sacrifice your rigs, a low slot and a lot of tank for the extra DPS. That's not necessarily a bad trade-off, and it does make Marauder configurations a bit more of a wildcard (you'd probably have to drop the MJD to pull it off).

It would make these a bit more interesting for PvP (and with the ability to fend off small ships, I can actually see Marauders venturing out of high-sec). Marauders are supposed to be the end-all/be-all of battleships: Tank, glass cannon or anti-ship - a few interesting possibilities with unique roles. Thoughts?

The new golem is almost the same as the TQ golem. Only difference is it got a small speed nerf but i think the scan resolution has been increased by alot so it evens out. The bastion module is just a extra bonus. you dont have to use it if you dont like it. Also, why would we want the marauder to be the BEST at everything? what is the fun in that if they made it OP then everyone will use it. I think right now it is perfect since we have people who love it and others who hate it. I dont want to log into eve one day and see everyone in a marauder for making isk .

Also for RNI vs golem, the exp radius bonus is alot better in golem with bonus TP then navy raven with 3 rigor plus ship bonus. The only thing navy raven is better is 8 launchers vs defender compare to 4 launcher, but golem can use faction missiles at half the price. Also , the biggest lost to dps in a missile boat is velocity of the target. When you shoot cruises at a 250m/s battleship you lose 3/4 of the dps or so.

Quoting cause the first design NEEDS to happen.
It's awesome


Edit...

After thinking about it... I think the first design should be the Golem, and the Second design should be the RNI.

I think it's time CCP starts putting in the effort to make ships look different as opposed to the same skin all the time.