Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are deconsiredign the 15 seconds a marauder takes more or less to correct its direction so you MJD to the correct position. Of course some of that overlaps, but its more complicated aand at end less efficient because the propulsion mod is more versatile. SPecially when the distances are smal like 20 km to a gate.

I really wish Bastion was an offensive module.

Really? How much additional DPS are you getting out of yours...

Yes, I know what he means - but Bastion is a defensive module. If instead of boosting resistances Bastion absorbed all heat while activated, you'd have a nice bump to actual DPS.

Actual performance is going to vary widely depending on Marauder and application.

Hmm.. Time for a new thread? Over 3000 pages and still rolling strong.

Either un-nerf the cap or roll the 5% cap bonus into hull stats and then do that.

Well after looking at the recent update to EFT and putting together a few fits typical of what I usually run I really don't think bastion is going to do much in terms of making PVE content any easier/more fun since it is a defensive module and not an offensive one. I also don't think marauders will be used in PVP very much due to the limited role bastion puts them in.

CCP seems to have "listened" to the community about marauders not really having a role in PVP as they were originally a PVE ship so they designed a specific mod to "fix" everything that is wrong with them PVP wise. Now being a older player and having used all 4 of them in addition to what I have read on the forums for the last 5 years, marauders aren't used in PVP for the following reasons:

1. Poor sensor strength so they are easily jammed
2. Very expensive (cost the same as a carrier with poor insurance)
3. Slow (heavy/fitting issues with MWD)

So instead of doing a complete redesign and actually making marauders useful in PVP, much like their T2 counterparts, CCP has pigeon holed them them into the role of long range sniper that jumps around the battle field using MJD. While I think this idea seems kind of cool "having a hard hitting hard tanking auxiliary fleet that constantly jumps out of harms way" I don't think it's going to be used much. Bastion gives marauders EWar immunity, gives them insane tanks and CCP increased their fittings to allow marauders to use MJDs but unless alliances will reimburse the ships I don't see why someone would want a fleet of marauders instead of a fleet of carriers that can tank the same amount, do the same DPS, can be insured and immediately jump out of system when the battle is over all while having much less SP requirements.

Now from a PVE point of view the only missions I could see myself using bastion would be in L4 Blockade and The Assault; mainly because those missions have very heavy ewar making them a pain to do. Marauders don't need more tank for missions nor do they really need more range because by the time you fit tracking and range mods to your ship you can already shoot just about everything quite easily. Also most missions have gates so I don't see why I would want to stay put for 60 seconds at a time for bastion when I could be burning to the next gate.

Now I know a lot of people have been saying bastion will allow one to fit more damage mods but from what I've read on the test server forums if you DC while in bastion your ship won't warp until the cycle ends. This seems really dangerous to me because if one mostly relies on bastion for their tank and DCs then comes out of bastion while DCed and all resists to drop 30% on their gank fit marauder this could possibly result in the loss of a bil+ isk ship.

To me it seems like bastion is just going to be another MJD mod that nobody uses.

havent been on testserver myself but from this i conclude you cant rotate (align) while in bastion mode?

...if so that would be sad and should be changed

And it is even worse. (Underlined part)

I tested the 1400 arty version within sisi with high tracking, an MJD, only one t2 invul and an afterburner, because sometimes it is just stupid to triangulate for 20 km. The problem with this ship is the way you need to use it.

I did a worlds collide and first pocket I used afterburner to get to the gate and with my range rig i could target the rats and kill them on the way. Yay, saved some time.

Second pocket i needed to instantly activate MJD and jumped off, activated bastion and kill the rats. While it is totally relaxing you have to use all guns one by one or you lose a lot of isk/hour. Still it seems a lot slower and i really needed more time then with a package of 800s. Maybe due to angels.

ATM the bastion turned off the vargur starts accelerating in direction and with speed it had before it went into Bastion. so to activate MJD again you have to re align, lose speed and accelerate again.

Conclusion

I don't know, this style is nothing for me. I like to fly into a bunch of ships, take full agro and kill em all. Vargur was already an awesome tanker, something what a macha never could do. For me with bastion you take it away. I do not need more tank, i need more damage.

And for a Vargur the applied damage in fall-off means nothing if your fall off is 60km or 70, when you are used to kill the rats at 30km. it increases the max damage by around 20 dps.

You only can apply most damage if you stay inside a 90% DPS range, which for 70km fall off means within 20km (addition of 5km optimal).