Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I know. That is why I listed it in the post you quoted.

Please explain further where you think the accumulation of RP is in the ship progression towards a Marauder, and why it therefor makes sense to use this skill as a prerequisite that does not stand out in an odd way.

PS.... My shield booster continues to not shut off when I tell it to.

Thank god for the OMFG boosts in bastion or it would be a real problem

Well, just the removal of cap penalty would be awesome

Oh, and the fact that they are so slow is what makes it a good option

I'd question your math if you found an increase from 199 (or 203) to 249 to be only 3%.

Ok... ok... I'm playing with MJD in lvl 4 missions and I like it pretty well...

It can stay

I just had a problem with bastion not responding to a mouse click, leading to another bastion cycle...

At least one minute isn't really that long to wait for that issue...

Speaking in terms of the Golem. In regards to pve in high sec. (I have read through a number of pages, but would like to either restate what others may have already pointed out, or reword)

For torps, the range bonus in addition to the amplified tanking, is a step in the right direction. However, the bastion module, helps to make them better, though they are still either requiring improvement for range in particular through tuning of torps in general or through hull bonuses for a ship like this to use them. Rolling the range bonuses for CM and Torps into 1 with the current Torp vs CM differences means that either CM are going beyond what is necessary to allow torps better reach, or torps do not go far enough to keep CM from being ridiculous.

Bastion module for a golem using CM, is relatively insignificant, potentially insignificant and more likely to be detrimental, in the aspect of every single time you turn it on, you're going to ask:

"Do I really want to be stuck here for the next minute"

Even while using torps, this will be often considered.

While in pvp, the decision and tactical juggling that is being implemented on Marauders isn't bad, I won't necessarily get into its merits, other than in pvp, something like that does actually work. However, in pve these same tactics do not apply as well, yes they of course can, but that does not mean they actually do, nor work well.

For the Golem, what we are left with when using a bastion module:

Increases shield and armor repair amount by 100%
If you can tank it in an RNI, you could tank it in TQ golem, and you'll still be tanking fine without bastion after Rubicon.

Boosts all shields, armor and hull resistances by 30%
Same as above, but again if you can tank it in an RNI, you could tank it in TQ golem, and you'll still be tanking fine without bastion after Rubicon.

Increases all large missile max velocity by 25%
In PVE this does nothing for CM other than remove any situation you'd have to missile count. Which only now occurs at around +80-90km when properly skilled/implanted. For torps, this helps, but again doesn't remove the problem of their shortcoming.

Has a cycle time of 60 seconds.
Welcome to locking yourself into a decision for the next minute, hope you had enough ships left that needed this being left on, turned on or not being cycled off.

When in bastion mode, Marauder is immune to EW but cannot be remote assisted in any way
For guristas, this is great, in high-sec missions, its meaningless. You should already know which ships use EW and be killing them first already, that tactic shouldn't change.

When in bastion mode, Marauder speed is set to 0 m/s and cannot warp (mass is unchanged). Also receives a weapons timer that prevents station docking or gate jumping. Weapon time doesn't require the user to drop weapon safeties in high-sec
If it also includes acceleration gates (assumed), then again, see what is said about the 60 second cycle time.

In total, Torp users see the only modest benefits, the trouble is that these benefits contradict eachother. On the one hand, when you get into the middle of all the targets, and deploy you're getting that bonus tank, on the other hand the range bonus would make you think you'd want to not have to drive into the center before you could use the weapon system.

Now some may want to argue that this creates a more unique play experience of deciding if you want to deploy or not, frankly, in the case of the golem. No. The RNI gets the job done just fine right now, and arguably better. What does the Maruadar bring that the CNR doesn't? The same exact thing it had before, tractors and a lower ammunition expense, neither of which really set this ship aside as being T2.

In short, bastion sounds nifty, but for pve applications, most people who think its good are grasping at anything possible to make it sound like its going to be game altering in a good way (or even useful). I think in pvp it starts to capture the risk/reward, and weighing of decisions about how you're going to act on grid.

My take away for the Golem is this...
No positive direction of change. The proposed changes are like a crab, just going sideways.

On a positive note, EVE is becoming more like transformers?

I haven't been able to get onto Sisi yet, so, as regards my already excellently performing golem for nul-sec ratting on TQ, I am just wondering if anyone has figured out:

1. Why do these ship need to be changed?
2. Why do we need these ship to now be able to pvp (snigger!)?
3. In what situations can anyone envisage using the bastion module in cyno-happy-zone nul-sec?
4. In what situations can anyone envisage using a pvp fit maurder, bastion moudule fitted or not, in nul-sec?

My connection is not the most stable in the world. What happens when i'm on bastion and i get a dc, does the ship stay there?

The TP bonus is the damage application bonus, though granted it's the only one tied to a mod rather than directly to the weapon. Other than that it's already been stated that higher DPS wasn't the way these ships are going to go. Also I'm still not in favor of T2 resist which selectively increase tank slightly (in some cases against the wrong damage types for PvE) in place of an all around active tank bonus to all damage types, especially since 2 can change damage types becoming more flexible against different NPC's. Bastion isn't the answer to the tank question for those of us who want the ships to remain usable outside of bastion as well.