Player Features and Ideas Discussion

limiting by role is what bastion iterations are doing, this means fitting creativity flies out the window defeating a very large portion of what this game's about. if i spend 800-1bn isk on a hull i want it to do more than the t1 hulls do and better - that means it needs to have ability inside several different roles so i can pick and chose the role i want to fit for.

even dreads can do this - and as a side, dreads only function because they have colossal damage gains and millions of base ehp
for dealing with capital targets when entering siege - the local reps are never a factor for them, in siege you kill them all first or are killed trying - too much damage to tank without RR.

- marauders don't have this advantage and so bastion becomes an even sillier idea, given the competition for these hulls are skirmish ships that hit just as hard as you, and at the same ranges - the last thing you want is to try and sit still for a meaningless 10-20km extra range. it's far more effective to use tier 3 battle cruisers.

the MJD also can't defend you against these hulls, because it doesn't break lock, I'll MJD to a new spot only to still find myself in weapons range and still under just as much fire when i land as when i left, with my Low ehp this means an instant death, and with mobility nerfs I have little hope of effectively escaping, against t1 battleships this problem gets worse, they can MJD after me too.


so to this end, given that nothing being added now will actually help make the marauders better at anything, I'm all in support for ideas that don't alter what already is negatively, and add new functionality to what's already there for us to play with.


I support the fitting proposals, PG/CPU etc, but not the high slot addition.
the dual module/scripted ideas and the module only effects ideas are the two key kings of the ballpark at the moment, and these should be looked into.

I oppose altering hull bonuses, there's no need or reason to
- if you have to or feel obsessed with the thought of altering hull bonuses do so on a temporary basis through bastion activation.

I oppose making the module a requirement for the ship
- for the same reasons i despise having to siege dreads to make them better than battleships, the module doesn't make the ship useful the ship makes the module useful, this game isn't orientated around ships but fittings FOR ships. the ship functions on its own, and if i want to get this cool effect or use this strategy i fit this module configuration to do it.

- a blops can fight without its jump portal, a carrier can fight without triage, a rubicon marauder will be garbage w/o bastion and even with it, and a dread is near pointless without siege.

ships are a blank slate not a defined template for the fittings to go on in pre defined order, if the ship doesn't work without the module you've built for it you have failed to design your ship properly and need to do it again - this is where you're heading at the moment, be warned.

As I said way earlier in the thread, with the added PG, you can easily put 1400's, a MJD, a TII X-L SB and a TII Projectile rig.
Still doesn't solve the DPS issue though, but I'll check that when it hits SiSi.

If their handling of the pirate faction ships is going to be anything like the T2 rebalancing, I don't want them touching any of the factions.

Lest Guristas lose their missile damage entirely and get some sort of new weird drone niche (when I really, REALLY hope they become hard tanking missile brawlers), something absolutely arcane and unusual happens to Sansha, etc.

Scissor-Hands off from Machariel and Cynabal you space punks ! We're know exactly where this changes going.
Stop stupid nerfs for good ships and improve others. People want T2 BS like Vargur to be better than pirate BS(logic) , but thats doesn't mean nerf them, damn it.
Using Marauders for mission running is a stupid idea, because missions is outdated crap. Instead they must be better at Incursions and PVP.

lol'd good at sig pic by the time they finish with them(mach n cyna) they will be slowest missile shooting ships out there :)

New marauders place holders for bastion module!!!

yay

I have hacked up a pyfa database with the marauder changes and bastion module. It's not perfect, but it's good enough to get a feel for things: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=284141&find=unread

At least let them in Bastion to overheat weapons without getting heat damage, srly do something so they wont be bad as before or ever worse...

Lol. Pages and pages of whinging when really, the ONLY thing that will change CCP's mind is what kind of usage the Marauder class will see post-Rubicon.

Every post asking for more damage or more mobility or more of anything is going to be ignored for now. Believe that.

Instead, THINK of ways to use these ships with the proposed changes / stats, you know, get ahead of the curve here instead of waiting to get plowed over with your little post-its scribbled over with complete revamped stats on popsicle sticks clutched tween your forefinger and thumb. You can wave it all you want, but the plow driver ain't gonna see it.

If the changes are so god-awfully bad as all you whingers believe them to be, no one will use these ships and CCP will have effectively forced people out of Marauder hulls. Then we'll see the prices in Jita fall through the floor... which might then lead people to buy them and use them for 500-million when they wouldn't for a billion. But if they're even unattractive as 500-million isk hulls, THEN CCP might backtrack and buff them.

But the Bastion module mechanic, the tanking buff and mobility nerf is here to stay. So shut up about that already. Seriously.

When these show up on SiSi tomorrow, TRY them. I plan to.

I can see them being useful in certain lvl 4's, some vanguards. How many people fly billion isk hulls in PvP anyway? Even if they were clearly OP, how frequent an occurrence would that be?

So maybe you should see what the meta adjustment is in the larger game, see what Jita prices settle at and then figure out if they can be of use to you. THEN.

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Dear CCP, thanks for shaking up the game. If only to combat boredom.

Get out, fanboy. They'll never be cheap because nobody's going to produce them and sell them at a loss due to "lack of demand." The component and research costs for constructing them will always keep prices at a ground floor. You just won't see many people using them or producing them-- just like we used to see with blackops BS.

I hope these changes will hit SiSi until tuesday, wanna try the GodMode module on level 5's!