Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Which is why I said you have to balance the perks and negatives.

While you would get better sensor strength without the module, it would still be one of the weaker sensor ships in Eve.
Bastion would make you immune.

Without you would have 3 utility highs, bastion would be a utility module (assuming CCP takes away the extra high and puts it somewhere more useful and balanced.

Without you would have mobility, with you would have significantly more tank.


Also, they could remove all range bonuses from the hull, and focus purely on high tracking, while bastion could revert that tracking to range.

Things like that last one would make the ship nice outside of bastion, but for someone who wants ranged combat, they'd be better off with bastion.

Without dps bonus, unnerf to base hulls, and something useful instead of tractor range, that whole marauders rebalance makes them worse than before...

i'm sorry to say this, CCP Ytterbium, but it seems to me that you have no idea of what to do with this ship class, of what rolle they should fit in; how about you think about that for a bit and you postpone this "rebalance" until you have a clear idea about that?


also, if this will be done at the same time with the pirate bs rebalance, i think we will be able to see the entire picture even better

what i'm trying to say, is that atm , with current changes, the marauders look like the old weapon system on the Naglfar, you know, "the split weapon system", great on paper but terrible in practice;

i'm sorry to say that you missed my point entirely

p.s. can you point for me which one of the marauders have a split weapon bonuses?

Its almost as if he didnt bother to read either my post or CCPs... Or even his own.

This is going to be just as big a misfire as people expect.

There are too many things working against Marauders now for these changes to be even remotely good. Before anyone was aware of the warp speed changes, Marauders might have been a usable, if exceptionally boring to fly thing to use in PvE. Now?

Well, their warp speed has been crushed, on top of other mobility based hull nerfs. They still won't be used in PvP, ever, because having to be stationary on something with less than capital level tank is suicide (even if the bastion module will make the Marauders' defense "formidable", I doubt it'll quite be enough, somehow). Damage I'm not too worried about because they at least have ways to apply it, but still. Also, their utility in PvP is probably going to be called into question by the warp changes as well, I think.

This whole role, and the "Long range ship with heavy active tank" niche that it looks like they're trying to go for, is absolutely stupid. If you're attacking at ~100km+, you barely need tank, and

Wait. Wait a second.

Spool up time for the MJD is something like 11-12 seconds, isn't it?

Warp time for interceptors at that range is like 4 seconds now, isn't it?

5-6 seconds to scan, 4 to warp = dead long range marauders.

It seems to me that this "role" is already dead in the water on all possible fronts- please reconsider this entire path, both iteration 1 and 2.

So rebalance means Nerf?

well they did 1 buff actually and thats the signature buff everything else is a flat our nerf to the uhm least used ship class in the game used by a few missioners with crapstable connection

Very well said. I use a Vargur most of the times and it's fab. I am still wondering why do we need this bastion thingy and we need nerfs.


@ CCP I suggest that you guys start controlling your ISK inflation. This is a very serious matter. I am getting to the point where I will have to stop playing EVE because you price me out. In addition why do I have to buy Plex at rip off prices in the UK for stuff that get nerfed continuously?

OK: so the t2 battleships at the moment have their role alignments play out something kinda like this:

Marauders:

Brawler
Sniper (with exception of the vargur that cannot fit effective artillery, though can fight with 800's better than 1200's at same ranges)
and a very light touch on fleet logistics (through utility high options)

they lose out on interceptor and skirmisher roles to low speed.

Black Ops:

Interceptor (through use of the jump drive and various velocity bonuses)
Skirmishers (because of EWAR, velocity and the mid range focus of weapons (long range often is not viable for cloak fits))
Sniper (while long range isn't as viable it can still be done...10k volley kite panther :3 )
fleet logistics through blops portal

while a blops brawl it because it doesn't have much by way of defense, and these ships often function without logistics.


the marauders specialize in field control, their weapon systems are the most reliable of any sub capital in game (i'd almost be willing to say of any ship) - they simply don't miss, fall off and tracking in tandem is beautiful.

which is where i think ccp pulled the idea of a bastion from, as they are excellent ships for providing cover fire for the rest of the fleet.

the blops specialise in being well....gank ships...using high mobility speed and firepower to wipe out heavy targets before the opposition can pin them down and kill them off through using their cloaks and jump drives.

notice how these ships don't have one role? they can fit into many but only specialize at doing one thing inside that role.
(don't go confusing PVE and PVP as a role, they aren't they're functions inside a role, there are PVE and PVP brawler fits)

it is a mistake to try and limit ships to just one role, but perfectly acceptable to give them just one specialization.