Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The downside is Pirate BS' are still better even with those Marauder buffs.
Mach won't loose its "mission king" status because of those changes.
Also Marauders loose drone bay which is very bad.

So no, this is a big downside.

Price wise Marauders are almost the same as Rat BS, but the performance of the last ones are way higher.
Saying that Rat BS are better at PvE AND PvP, while Marauders are only good at PvE.
The conclusion is Marauders should be better at PvE because they specialize in it and have the same price.

Bastion mode gives a damage range increase (Optimal/falloff) but yet there is also a web bonus that can only be applied within 14km?... doesn't make sense to have those together no?

I d like to see some damage bonus added (rof, direct, applied damage...)when Bastion'd, and some MWD bonus over some MJD one as the speeds mentioned are bringing tears to my eyes.

Proper gank fitted laser ships are actually not to bad in minmatar space. My Paladin is nearly as fast as my Vargur, because most lower end NPCs have hardly any serious resistances(meaning the volley count is very similar) and conflagration deals very good damage against angels, because it got a lot of thermal damage.

Option A: MWDing in range, burn everything with max dps, loot BS on the fly.
Option B: MJD out of range, use low damage ammo, being unable to loot BS on the fly.

Guess what people that did spend 50+ days on marauder 5 and use them on a daily basis do with them?

Also it is fairly unlikely that you hit the gate perfectly and you will in most cases spend more time to slow boat to it after landing 5-8km off the gate, than somebody that just mwd's 10-15 km to it(at least if they don't make them all bricks).



It is a quite big one if you look at the speed with mwd. The MJD isn't a improvement in my eyes since I hardly think that it is worth the slot outside of a few pve scenarios like plexing.



A web needs like 15s to slow down a target far enough that it would be more useful than a painter, at this point even BS are already down, meaning it will have next to no effect on volley count compared to a normal painter fitting(where the effect is applied instantly) and it got a lot less range(leave alone the very low speed of the golem with the current changes). Against BCs and Cruisers that normally die in one volley webs would be pointless and to do good damage against frigs you also need painters.



Damage bonuses are a bit nono for the bastion mod in my books and the problem with torpedo's isn't really raw dps, it is the damage application on the target.

I'm sorry, but what the hell is this?
1) "+ stasis webifier" and "- tanking" when not in the Bastion mode? Why would you need webs on a Torp Golem? Target painters are the way to go...
2) align time 19s: Really? I thought this was a mission boat, you know, which supposed to go on a mission, kill all, go second mission, kill all etc. Not go on a mission kill all, then spend god knows how much time getting back to the station completing a mission and then going for a second one.
3) drone bay on a Torp Golem 25m? Are there any changes to drone mechanics where the NPC do not target drones at all that I don't know about? There are plenty of elite frigates in some missions (Enemies Abound is a shining example) where you will lose drones sometimes. And dealing with scramming frigates in a torp boat without drones is kinda suicide.

All in all:
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range you get during Bastion is great
tank you get is also great, but Marauders had already plenty of tank
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webs with no range bonus on a ship that is supposed to jump around the battlefield is kinda crap
align time is gonna make me less money then right now
drone bay reduction can possibly mean a death in some situations

When will we get a missile ship that is better then Navy Raven (i mean a true missile ship, not the Rattlesnake drone one)?

.....at level four missions. They're the only BS-sized ships that can solo 10/10 plexes, C3+ WH sites, and level five missions.

I think the drone bay decrease is actually pretty necessary, if you gave them 125 m3 people would use bastion to run absurd gimmick fits for absolute max DPS, like 2-slot shield tanking their Paladin and running anoms with 4 heat sinks and 3 drone damage amps in the lows.

You take your 2x TPs, I'll take a TP and stasis web. We'll see which frigate dies first... Even if you nail a ship under it's signature radius, it still has a huge potential to offset damage through velocity. It should also be pointed out that even webs don't guarantee hits with long-range guns, but this is not true for missiles (they will always hit and do at least some damage).

I never said it was a lousy mission ship, I just said it's extremely vulnerable if it ever slows down. I've used Machs, and they're a lot of fun. By the same token, if you remove a Rattlesnake's drones from the equation - it has almost no offensive power whatsoever. I guess what I'm saying is that I like the current iteration of Marauders (it's unique if anything).

With respect to speed, the Nightmare is 94m/s, Bhallgorn is 101m/s and Vindicator is 126m/s; so 85 m/s for the Paladin and Golem, 92 m/s for the Kronos and 100 m/s for the Vargur isn't really that out-of-line. Everyone else fails to mention the increased targeting range, sensor strength and reduced signature radius.

Now if the Golem only came in carbon fiber black...

While you're slowboating it, I'll just MJD in, Bastion and paste the suckers. :D
The reason no one uses stasis webs on Golems is because it's never had any bonuses and you've really needed two to be halfway effective. With any new innovation alternate strategies are sure to develop.

You're talking cruise missiles - not torpedoes, right?

See, I was referring to torpedoes. Cruise missiles already have a higher explosion velocity and smaller explosion radius so there's minimal benefit with a stasis web. I think cruise missiles are going to get hit hard with the nerf bat, though.